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Originally Posted by Mr. B
Originally Posted by 96Z28SS
You can get in Worcester also rt9 highland steet.
Originally Posted by 98Z28MASS
Whats the name of the station and would it matter if im only running a large cam if I use the stuff?
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From: East Side Performance! mASShole
i think i will be buying a 55 or 104 for the vett, and a 55 of 117 for the white z.
i noticed even my quad isnt running as well, i added a little 117 to the tank, and woke it right back up.
|$86 fill up on wednesday, and i already need to refuel!
my gas bill has gone from $3000 a mont about a year ago, to over $5000 a month. that sucks. we need closer jobs.
i noticed even my quad isnt running as well, i added a little 117 to the tank, and woke it right back up.
|$86 fill up on wednesday, and i already need to refuel!
my gas bill has gone from $3000 a mont about a year ago, to over $5000 a month. that sucks. we need closer jobs.
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From: Plainville,MA
Originally Posted by Slowhawk
This new mix fuel sucks and I see it on cars running on the dyno.Alot of cars are down HP and we have to bring the timing down. Had a 04 Vette today that would only take 20degree's of timing compared to the 25-26 we ussually run. I personally filled the car up beforehand.
The government sucks for this fuel change.
Bye Bye high hp cars 
The government sucks for this fuel change.
Bye Bye high hp cars What problems may be encountered with ethanol blended gasoline?
By far the vast majority of engines should not encounter any performance related problems. However, certain engine/fuel system components in older (pre 1980) engines may not be
compatible with ethanol. For instance, certain types of rubber used in seals and hoses may deteriorate more rapidly when exposed to ethanol blended gasoline. If you have any questions about your vehicle systems compatibility with ethanol blended gasoline, please contact your vehicle manufacturer.
As mentioned above, ethanol blended gasoline is not compatible with water, and also acts as a solvent to break up and dissolve sludge and scale that may have accumulated in storage tanks over time. In order to avoid problems, before converting to ethanol blends station owners should remove all previously accumulated water, sludge and scale in tanks intended for storage of ethanol blends. If tanks are not appropriately prepared for this conversion, two problems can occur;
As mentioned above, ethanol blended gasoline is not compatible with water, and also acts as a solvent to break up and dissolve sludge and scale that may have accumulated in storage tanks over time. In order to avoid problems, before converting to ethanol blends station owners should remove all previously accumulated water, sludge and scale in tanks intended for storage of ethanol blends. If tanks are not appropriately prepared for this conversion, two problems can occur;
- • Water in the tank can cause ethanol to separate into the water phase, resulting in either water being introduced into the engine fuel system or the octane content of the gas being reduced below engine driving requirements. Both of these conditions may cause poor performance or engine stalling
- • Ethanol may re-dissolve scale or sludge in the tank and potentially carry it into the vehicle fuel system, clogging fuel lines and filters.
The likelihood of either of these problems is remote. However, if consumers notice problems shortly after filling up with ethanol blended fuels, you should notify the station where the fuel was purchased to see if similar problems have been reported, and take the vehicle to a qualified technician immediately. The problem could be as simple as a plugged fuel line or filter, or may require draining bad gasoline out of the fuel system.
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From: Plainville,MA
Originally Posted by Joe "Preachers Sheets" DIESO
funny you said that don. ethanol was supposed to drop the price for gas because we wouldnt need as much but the prices are still climbing, so much for that.
Alternatives Just as Bad as the Original
Criticism of the MTBE additive has sparked the search for other oxygenate alternatives. The most realistic alternative cited thus far is ethanol. However, critics charge that ethanol carries environmental and economic baggage similar to MTBE.
As ethanol receives more attention, the environmental hazards it poses become more apparent. According to NESCAUM, the use of ethanol increases emissions of acetaldehyde - a probable human carcinogen - up to 70%.8 Such levels are already in excess of health-protective thresholds. The physical properties of ethanol also make trucking the most efficient means to transport it. Therefore, the tremendous amount of truck traffic required for a shift to an ethanol oxygenate would require would have a substantial impact on air quality.9 Ethanol is almost exclusively produced in the Midwest, but 74% of its use would be required on the coasts in the case of its widespread use.
This transportation problem touches on problems with ethanol that go far beyond environmental issues. Ethanol cannot be shipped through existing pipelines. If it was, its natural affinity for water could cause it to absorb water while travelling through these pipes. The water it absorbs may separate in a vehicle's gas tank, causing fuel lines to freeze during cold weather and degrade engine performance. Besides an increased investment in trucks, ethanol would require additional investment in storage tanks and blending equipment. Consumers would undoubtedly assume the majority of this financial burden.
Similarly, consumers will have to pay more for gasoline as a result of the increased costs involved in refining ethanol-oxygenated RFG. The ethanol itself will not force gas prices to rise substantially, but the price of the gasoline base material needed for oxygenate blending - called RBOB - will. RFG volatility (the speed of evaporation) is limited by EPA regulation. Ethanol is more volatile than MTBE. Thus, in order for the ethanol-blended RFG to fall within the overall volatility limit, the volatility of the RBOB used in ethanol blending must be low. This requires blending volatile ethanol, a physical characteristic that cannot be changed, with special reduced-volatility RBOB. Such low-volatility RBOB is very hard to manufacture.10 According to reports by NESCAUM and the Congressional Research Service, refiners say they cannot produce large quantities of ethanol-oxygenated gasoline at reasonable costs under the current mandates of the RFG program. The Department of Energy's Energy Information Administration further estimates that the increased costs these mandates will impose will force consumers to pay $5 billion more for gas in 2006 than they do today.11
As with current taxes on gasoline, consumers in poor and minority communities will be the hardest hit. People in these areas earn less per household than the national average, and must pay substantially larger portions of their budgets to operate their cars and trucks. For small businessmen or people with long commutes or family obligations, gas price increases could force many to make difficult and life-altering decisions.