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Old 03-01-2007 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Borderlinedragracing
GM has announced they are in the process of making pontiac an all-rear wheel drive performance brand...
OK, then where is the new TA? .
Old 03-01-2007 | 06:28 PM
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that looks like a pontiac version of a CTS-V

i am saving for a new Challenger i would like mine either Limelight Green or PlumCrazy Purple
Old 03-01-2007 | 06:56 PM
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GM still doesn't get it - they continue to market cars that won't sell very well and the resell value will tank.
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Originally Posted by EchoMirage
GM has had a 'rule' that no car could have more horsepower then the vette, ever since the vette got a V8. notice i said HAVE, not MAKE. everyone knows our LS1s are identical to a vettes LS1 of same year. do a quick search, and youll see an article where they dynoed bone-showroom stock 98 LS1s, a base TA and a vette. the TA made more rwhp then the vette....ended with saying the TA was underrated and vette overrated, to an extent. thier rule goes all the way back to the 60s, when you can get the very same LT1, 350, 396, or even ZL1 in the camaro that you can in the vette, yet the vette was always rated higher. the real differance....the hp sticker on the air cleaner.
Thanks for the info, but I already knew that. And it doesn't answer the question. Both the CTS-V and the LS2 GTO are rated at 400 HP--same as the C6. Why is the LS2 G8 and the LS2 Commodore rated less? Thanks in advance for the info.
Old 03-03-2007 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TransAmNut619
+1 for the Holden being better looking, but whats new...
The Pontiac grille is what ruins it and makes the G8 look more like a Bonneville. The Holden version has a regular-looking front end--which is a lot better.
Old 03-03-2007 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by damon_Z
Thanks for the info, but I already knew that. And it doesn't answer the question. Both the CTS-V and the LS2 GTO are rated at 400 HP--same as the C6. Why is the LS2 G8 and the LS2 Commodore rated less? Thanks in advance for the info.
it can be rated for less due to a more restrictive exhaust, or they might even use a slightly different cam to make the car idle smoother or reduce emissions.

and BTW: here is the pic from motor trend of the grand prix concept that i like better than the G8. this is based off the holden commodore.

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Old 03-03-2007 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by damon_Z
Thanks for the info, but I already knew that. And it doesn't answer the question. Both the CTS-V and the LS2 GTO are rated at 400 HP--same as the C6. Why is the LS2 G8 and the LS2 Commodore rated less?
I think part of it is due to the regular gas thing as well...I heard that they rated the G8 running on 87 octane for some reason I guess to make it appear more utilitarian and daily driverish.
I think this car might also have the L92 heads and L76 intake which by most accounts should actually add power not hurt it but maybe the cam choice is weaker?
Old 03-04-2007 | 12:49 AM
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it should sell well as long as its priced low to mid 30s loaded.
Old 03-04-2007 | 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by damon_Z
I would take that over the new Camaro--even in pink. All Challengers will come only with V8's and have a limited production run of less than 20,000 cars per year. (At least, that's what I've read.) You couldn't say that about the new Camaro.
Nope, they will also come with the V6 or at least thats what I've been told by a few people that own Dodge dealerships. It seems they're hoping to sell more V6's to those who either don't want or can't afford the V8. Either way I think it will do well. The V8 will be limited and will definitely go over sticker.
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Originally Posted by PurEvl
i want the ute coupe...its coming as well imagine 400hp el camino..its light as hell too. Easy to link and tub
Where did you here this? I don't think the Ute will ever come here.
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Originally Posted by brazenorangegto
Nope, they will also come with the V6 or at least thats what I've been told by a few people that own Dodge dealerships. It seems they're hoping to sell more V6's to those who either don't want or can't afford the V8. Either way I think it will do well. The V8 will be limited and will definitely go over sticker.

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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
I think part of it is due to the regular gas thing as well...I heard that they rated the G8 running on 87 octane for some reason I guess to make it appear more utilitarian and daily driverish.
I think this car might also have the L92 heads and L76 intake which by most accounts should actually add power not hurt it but maybe the cam choice is weaker?
I just thought about it...If it's not a mechanical issue, then it could be something political. Imagine, if this 4-door G8 was rated at 400 HP, then it would be put in the same category as the 4-door 400 HP Cadillac CTS-V that costs $50,000+. The LS2 G8 will be at least $35,000--$15,000 less than a CTS-V that has the same specifications. So, to keep the G8 from cannibalizing the CTS-V sales, the best move GM could make is to further underrate the LS2 that comes in the G8.
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Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
That's the way it should be. There shouldn't be a V6 variant to any V8 muscle car.
Old 03-04-2007 | 08:45 AM
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I didn't like it at first but it's starting to grow on me, might have to steer the wife into one when its time for a new car (well it's better than a minivan)
Old 03-05-2007 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 99Andrew
GM still doesn't get it - they continue to market cars that won't sell very well and the resell value will tank.

who says it wont sell well????and who says its heavy, all in all i think this is a step forward for GM in reviving the pontiac brand. and who says itll have terrible resale value...GM has for the most part the best resale values of any manufacturer.
Old 03-05-2007 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
I think part of it is due to the regular gas thing as well...I heard that they rated the G8 running on 87 octane for some reason I guess to make it appear more utilitarian and daily driverish.
I think this car might also have the L92 heads and L76 intake which by most accounts should actually add power not hurt it but maybe the cam choice is weaker?
I think you're right. A member from ls1gto.com said something similar:

Originally Posted by RobertHammen
No gas guzzler on the G8 (hint, that's why the 362 hp motor with Displacement on Demand and tuned for regular (not premium) gas). The L76 is only 9 lb/ft. less in torque than the LS2, and has superior LS7-style heads. Cam/valvespring upgrades and it will be outperform an LS2.




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