Supercharger Pricing Question
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Supercharger Pricing Question I just had a general question about Blowers in particular.
I have a basic Idea for my car, I beleive a Supercharger will be in it's future. I want a power adder car, no n2o, and I think the Turbo route will be too expensive in the end. My last car was all motor so I want to do something different.
I know what the basic supporting mods are going to cost, as well as a dyno tune, but my basic question is....
Why is it, that everytime I go to Sponsor websites or almost any part slinger's website is the price for Blowers not listed?? It always says "Call". Is it becuase the price changes soooo much or is it due to sellers can basically set their own price/markup? In general I am just looking for Idea and I honestly dont want to call up a shop and waste their time, just looking for an idea that I can start saving for, or at least expect to pay. I know there are options, and they cost extra, thats not an issue.
If anyone here wants to chime in what they sell parts for, or what it cost them to buy it for their personal rides. For exampled a D1 Procharger, all the bells and whistles, what did you pay?
Thanks for any input.
I have a basic Idea for my car, I beleive a Supercharger will be in it's future. I want a power adder car, no n2o, and I think the Turbo route will be too expensive in the end. My last car was all motor so I want to do something different.
I know what the basic supporting mods are going to cost, as well as a dyno tune, but my basic question is....
Why is it, that everytime I go to Sponsor websites or almost any part slinger's website is the price for Blowers not listed?? It always says "Call". Is it becuase the price changes soooo much or is it due to sellers can basically set their own price/markup? In general I am just looking for Idea and I honestly dont want to call up a shop and waste their time, just looking for an idea that I can start saving for, or at least expect to pay. I know there are options, and they cost extra, thats not an issue.
If anyone here wants to chime in what they sell parts for, or what it cost them to buy it for their personal rides. For exampled a D1 Procharger, all the bells and whistles, what did you pay?
Thanks for any input.
Well, I am into my ProCharger and things to go with it such as even larger injectors, Methanol injection, gauges, SD tuning, Kenne Bell BAP, pullies and other odds and ends about $6500. I bought a used kit with 3000 miles on it to boot for a damn good price including about $2000 worth of "upgrades"!
Once you start it's hard to stop the urge to get more, to make more boost more effectively and safely! I'm not even done yet, I still want a blower cam and possibly a smaller pulley for more boost. Which will then make me buy a forged motor!! LoL
Once you start it's hard to stop the urge to get more, to make more boost more effectively and safely! I'm not even done yet, I still want a blower cam and possibly a smaller pulley for more boost. Which will then make me buy a forged motor!! LoL
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Yea, I know the feeling. I blew my LT1 motor and found out the diff between a forged 355 and Forged 383 was a diff in machining but to optimize the cubic inches I had to go full tilt.
I was guessing around 6k. I dont know if it would be even worth it to get the polished unit persay, I dont think you can see it anyway in the engine bay.
If I found a whole kit local that would be something to think about. Mmmhmm.
Thanks for the info Speedy!
I was guessing around 6k. I dont know if it would be even worth it to get the polished unit persay, I dont think you can see it anyway in the engine bay.
If I found a whole kit local that would be something to think about. Mmmhmm.
Thanks for the info Speedy!
by the time you are done with the fuel system stuff, guages that you probably want to have in the car, tuning, and any kit upgrades you may want ot make right off the bat (sdce 8 rib setup so the belt problems are not an issue if you are looking at a procharger) you are looking at at least 8 grand. Trust me I looked into it last year before I went ahead with the route I chose.
I wouldnt go with a blower unless you wanted a car that you can just drive around every day, rip on it hard, and expect to never get bored of it. I couldnt justify spending (8k like JL said) and not being able to turn up the boost any more than like 9-10lbs. I would get too greedy.
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Originally Posted by Specialized
I wouldnt go with a blower unless you wanted a car that you can just drive around every day, rip on it hard, and expect to never get bored of it. I couldnt justify spending (8k like JL said) and not being able to turn up the boost any more than like 9-10lbs. I would get too greedy.
Originally Posted by BlackScreaminMachine
I just had a general question about Blowers in particular.
I have a basic Idea for my car, I beleive a Supercharger will be in it's future. I want a power adder car, no n2o, and I think the Turbo route will be too expensive in the end. My last car was all motor so I want to do something different.
I know what the basic supporting mods are going to cost, as well as a dyno tune, but my basic question is....
Why is it, that everytime I go to Sponsor websites or almost any part slinger's website is the price for Blowers not listed?? It always says "Call". Is it becuase the price changes soooo much or is it due to sellers can basically set their own price/markup? In general I am just looking for Idea and I honestly dont want to call up a shop and waste their time, just looking for an idea that I can start saving for, or at least expect to pay. I know there are options, and they cost extra, thats not an issue.
If anyone here wants to chime in what they sell parts for, or what it cost them to buy it for their personal rides. For exampled a D1 Procharger, all the bells and whistles, what did you pay?
Thanks for any input.
I have a basic Idea for my car, I beleive a Supercharger will be in it's future. I want a power adder car, no n2o, and I think the Turbo route will be too expensive in the end. My last car was all motor so I want to do something different.
I know what the basic supporting mods are going to cost, as well as a dyno tune, but my basic question is....
Why is it, that everytime I go to Sponsor websites or almost any part slinger's website is the price for Blowers not listed?? It always says "Call". Is it becuase the price changes soooo much or is it due to sellers can basically set their own price/markup? In general I am just looking for Idea and I honestly dont want to call up a shop and waste their time, just looking for an idea that I can start saving for, or at least expect to pay. I know there are options, and they cost extra, thats not an issue.
If anyone here wants to chime in what they sell parts for, or what it cost them to buy it for their personal rides. For exampled a D1 Procharger, all the bells and whistles, what did you pay?
Thanks for any input.
I see this question come up alot in threads so I'm going to shead some light on the subject -
There is no benefit to us to have customers call or e-mail to receive a price. This actually gives us much more e-mail to answer, many more phone calls and the customer has to make an effort to receive a quote.
It would be much easier to just say "the current sale price is $xxx.xx" but alot of manufacturers have a M.A.P. (Minimum Advertised Pricing) policy that vendors are supposed to follow. Some don't care what price is advertised. Vendors could sell a $500. part for a dollar and it wouldn't matter. This is becoming very rare through. Some don't want their products advertised below a certain price but it doesn't matter what prices vendors quote through e-mail or over the phone. Some don't want any discounts put in writing but discounted prices given out over the phone are ok. There are some manufacturers that have a certain price set and vendors aren't supposed to discount below that. Vendors that do can lost their ability to sell that brand. One manufacturer that we used to deal with changed their pricing policy and set minimum pricing. Well, after years of carrying their products and not having to abide by any guidelines we accidently listed discounted prices after the policy changed. Because of that, we no longer carry their products.
With all of that said, we carry all of the major supercharger brands along with STS Turbos. The regular retail prices are on our site. They will give you an idea what your looking at. Give us a call to receive the current sale prices.
Hope this helps,
Tom
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Thanks Tom. I am sure it has been posted, I just never caught it. I have read about the M.A.P. prices, and that makes sense.
When it comes time, like I said I didnt want to waste anyone's time. getting guage is what I am looking for.
Thankyou for shedding a light on the Seller's point of view
When it comes time, like I said I didnt want to waste anyone's time. getting guage is what I am looking for.
Thankyou for shedding a light on the Seller's point of view
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A Turbo kit is far more of an investment... I am not rebuilding the motor, and its not going to be forged, so I wouldnt run more then recommended.
I see it this way
Ported 90/90- round bout 1k +350 for a tb so 1350
Heads- TFS/AFR/something the likes- say 2500 to be safe
Pushrods/Cam/Rockers(maybe)/Install kit- Say another EASY 1500
That there is 5350+tuning, 450whp is EASY, 500 is not impossible.
Pistons- 500-900 for a good set
Rods- once again, way all over the place 450-1k
Machining- Say 600 to be conservative
Max expenditure- 2500
So total with you doing all the work besides machining is 7850- reliable 450-500whp depending on combo.
Spray- Dry kit, set it up with dual nozzles, 200shot? 7xxwhp for 7850+dry kit(400-700?)
For 8k you have a combination that would be almost ridiculous for everday driving, but doable.
Or
For 8k you have a combo which you are limited in expansion and speed. I think Id go with the combo I just layed out, but then again Im a little biased :-)
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I wasnt asking for what people would do. This post isnt about what I think people would want me to do.
Just to give you a re-cap, I have actually built a motor, I know what it is to deal with cranky motors. LS1's with North of 400 rwhp DO NOT have the same driving characteristic like a stock car. I do not want a car that give me head aches. The plan for this car is to keep it nice, keep it clean and mod it, with out hacking it, or turning it into a "race car". I am even hesitant to put a big cam in there. I may never even put a cam in the car.
I want a blower set up, I have never had one and I'd like to try it out.
I am not in a debate for a $$$ vs HP. Thankyou for your input.
Just to give you a re-cap, I have actually built a motor, I know what it is to deal with cranky motors. LS1's with North of 400 rwhp DO NOT have the same driving characteristic like a stock car. I do not want a car that give me head aches. The plan for this car is to keep it nice, keep it clean and mod it, with out hacking it, or turning it into a "race car". I am even hesitant to put a big cam in there. I may never even put a cam in the car.
I want a blower set up, I have never had one and I'd like to try it out.
I am not in a debate for a $$$ vs HP. Thankyou for your input.
If you're serious about a blower setup and want to do one... do alot of research is my advise. There's alot of options and different ways to go about it, some that will be way better down the road if you want to turn it up, others that will not be so good.
When I see ya tomorrow or whenever I'll go over the findings I had when i researched it before decidcing to go bigger CI and eventually spary.
also, fwiw you can get to about 450 rw with a h/c setup, or 400 rw with a medium/mild cam and it will not be too cranky. IMO. fwiw I don't think my car's that cranky at all... and with a little less compression for pump gas it would still make 500+ thru a stick.
When I see ya tomorrow or whenever I'll go over the findings I had when i researched it before decidcing to go bigger CI and eventually spary.
also, fwiw you can get to about 450 rw with a h/c setup, or 400 rw with a medium/mild cam and it will not be too cranky. IMO. fwiw I don't think my car's that cranky at all... and with a little less compression for pump gas it would still make 500+ thru a stick.
BS Machine, we have done the set up you are looking for many times, and your thinking is on the right path, a procharger P1 kit with a SMALL cam and your headers and tuning can put down 475rwhp and with a pulley swap about 500rwhp and drive like stock
specialized WTF are you talking about LOL. I did a bunch of research on what the BS machine is looking to do, it was a close 2nd to the route I took. I talked to ALOT of people about differnet setups, intercoolers, etc.etc. before I decided to go the big n/a and nitrous route.... For my goals it seemed to be a better way, but for a car that someone wants to drive alot and goof at the track and on the street with, BS machine is on the right path. No matter what route he goes power coste $, it's just a matter if what you want from it that decides what the best route is. For his goals, I think he's on the right path
BS swing by tomorrow morning if you're not busy
BS swing by tomorrow morning if you're not busy
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JL- I actually drove Joe's car Sunday with your old cam from ESP, had great drivability, ever since Alfred tweaked the tables. You could bearly tell it had it in there when you drove. I'll definitly look forward to reading your findings.
Chef- You and I are definitly on the same wave length, I know the shop has done a few cars and have put out the power. Truely gives me stock manners, decent gas milage and the power when I want it, all win win.
Chris- I have long since stopped trying to read your nonsense.
Chef- You and I are definitly on the same wave length, I know the shop has done a few cars and have put out the power. Truely gives me stock manners, decent gas milage and the power when I want it, all win win.
Chris- I have long since stopped trying to read your nonsense.
Im not saying anyone didnt do research. Im just stating that I know what it's like when I post soemthing and ask for knowledgeable information from someone who actually knows what they're talking about, the whole thread gets chunked up with ballbusting on me because I was asking for a professional opinion. That is all. 
For the original question.
The sponsors don't list them because of the rules and the fact they undercut each other to make the sale. Buy the setup from a vendor you feel comfortable with. Our prices are pretty good but the fact we are sponsored by Procharger helps us out with helping customer's with any warrenty problems or questions.
I think the supercharger plan you have is good. There is a ton of useless BS posts here from people that have absolutely no clue.
Keep with your plan
P.S- Formula -that looks like our F2 mounted in one of our shop stangs,it's pretty big
The sponsors don't list them because of the rules and the fact they undercut each other to make the sale. Buy the setup from a vendor you feel comfortable with. Our prices are pretty good but the fact we are sponsored by Procharger helps us out with helping customer's with any warrenty problems or questions.
I think the supercharger plan you have is good. There is a ton of useless BS posts here from people that have absolutely no clue.
Keep with your plan
P.S- Formula -that looks like our F2 mounted in one of our shop stangs,it's pretty big