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Old 11-03-2008, 06:51 PM
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No reason not to.
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Originally Posted by HUNTER02SS
Do a rear mount and go have fun. Keep in mind, the fastest LSX drag radial car is a rear mount!! They can't be all that bad!
No disrespect, but didn't that one catch fire...?

Don't get me wrong. I love rear mount turbo setups, especially since I love sleeper cars. I just don't trust them enough.
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I LOVE my STS! Killer sound (scares the hell out of Ricers around here), makes good power, and is very fun to drive.
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i loved my sts camaro, i want to do another rear mount but custom made to my own specifications.
what i did is i bought a 4l65e, it held 10 lbs for 10 months and didn't blow and is in the home of another turbo trans am and still runs fine. they go for about 500 so that helps with the transmission part

also plan on putting breathers where ever there is a hole for the engine, it will definitely relieve the crank case pressure.

i did an ls6 cam and lq9 heads, lowered compression and added more POWA!!

its only expensive if you have a shop do it, mess it up, and have to pay to fix at another shop ha...
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Some of the problems we encountered on this Camaro may help you to avoid them when you do your build. http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com...Car.php?car=32
Good luck with it. Bob
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Just a thought,you mentioned earlier in this thread to try and keep your a/c that is why you don't want to use truck manifolds. There is a guy on here that did a build and used a c6 vette manifold on the pass. side and it allowed him to keep the ac using manifolds.
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As soon as I made my previous post it was the thread below this one. Check out the pictures.
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Originally Posted by Exotic Performance Plus
Some of the problems we encountered on this Camaro may help you to avoid them when you do your build. http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com...Car.php?car=32
Good luck with it. Bob
Dam good info in that post read it Help me a bunch and zombie threads. I said it befor butt mounts suck but i got one. As long as u have fab skills and tools it can be done real cheap.
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cheap? n20 is cheap...FI is'nt something for a
lock tight budget. FI is most certainly an expencive
hobby. if any1 here can build a full turn key solid
running system from scratch for under 2 grand, i'll
mow thier lawn in a g-string.

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Originally Posted by GT67METHV
cheap? n20 is cheap...FI is'nt something for a
lock tight budget. FI is most certainly an expencive
hobby. if any1 here can build a full turn key solid
running system from scratch for under 2 grand, i'll
mow thier lawn in a g-string.
Cheap in a sense that it wont be in the 40k range for the poster lol!
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Originally Posted by GT67METHV
if any1 here can build a full turn key solid
running system from scratch for under 2 grand, i'll
mow thier lawn in a g-string.
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the poster said 2 grand. i say 6k, (done right)
and he leaves his driveway a happy camper.

for 2 grand he gets to stare at a turbo, and
3 wideband inovative gauges on his bed.
maybe a half dozen t-band clamps and a 90 deg
bend if he shops around.
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Respool and transient response leave a lot to be desired, and the pipe length is ridiculous.

I'm with the other people in this thread who say go for a front mount setup, less piping, less waste, and its the proper way to do things.

Flipped truck headers for the win.
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I wanted to do a STS this spring but still debating..... i dont like the whole tap the oil pan thing.
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To the OP you have two choices here follow the herd or do your own thing. I have had my STS kit for 3 + years makes 500 to the wheels all day long and is a daily driver when its not snowing. An intercooler is a must your IAT will get up over 150 with a pull of 3-4 seconds. for daily driver the rear mount is a great setup you will enjoy the car and the available power.
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Originally Posted by smoke20
To the OP you have two choices here follow the herd or do your own thing. I have had my STS kit for 3 + years makes 500 to the wheels all day long and is a daily driver when its not snowing. An intercooler is a must your IAT will get up over 150 with a pull of 3-4 seconds. for daily driver the rear mount is a great setup you will enjoy the car and the available power.
Awe u make me want to get one!!!! Wont it make my 10bolt go faster?
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Originally Posted by pitbull14218
Awe u make me want to get one!!!! Wont it make my 10bolt go faster?
Sticky tires and a hard launch will do it. But my 10 bolt is mostly stock, I dont dare launch it with stick tires but rollin burn outs are fun.
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Originally Posted by OUTLAWZ RACING
Sticky tires and a hard launch will do it. But my 10 bolt is mostly stock, I dont dare launch it with stick tires but rollin burn outs are fun.
what do u floor it and once it hits boost it breaks them loose? sounds like fun to me!!!
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Originally Posted by themachasy
Respool and transient response leave a lot to be desired, and the pipe length is ridiculous.

I'm with the other people in this thread who say go for a front mount setup, less piping, less waste, and its the proper way to do things.

Flipped truck headers for the win.
For debate purposes only: (not an argument)

In the grand scheme of things, waste and pipe aren't a factor.
( you will have equal amounts after fabbing on the floor ).
it's bare bones performance. in theory, every 90 deg. bend adds 10ft. of
pipe under pressure. if that's a fact, it's all relative that front or rear has no real barring on performance what so ever. and Turbo/AR. size is the real factor in each application as far as spool time. meaning a well made system front or rear are on equal playing ground.
ie: one is not superior than the other.
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Originally Posted by GT67METHV
For debate purposes only: (not an argument)

In the grand scheme of things, waste and pipe aren't a factor.
( you will have equal amounts after fabbing on the floor ).
it's bare bones performance. in theory, every 90 deg. bend adds 10ft. of
pipe under pressure. if that's a fact, it's all relative that front or rear has no real barring on performance what so ever. and Turbo/AR. size is the real factor in each application as far as spool time. meaning a well made system front or rear are on equal playing ground.
ie: one is not superior than the other.
To add fuel to the fire- I think a rear mount setup will have as many bends if not more than one in the front- (and I'd like to know where you got that pipe length figure from anyway) so pipe length will still be more with the rear mount. While I totally understand that turbo and AR sizing are absolutely crucial, I disagree wholeheartedly than a setup with all things being equal save the rear mount vs front mounted turbos will be even remotely close to the same in response, the front mount will work much better. I've seen more or less direct comparisons on this board- several big dynos with twin (matching AR and all) 35r setups making 1000whp at similar boost levels, the front mounted twin setup made it 1500-2000rpm sooner. The motors were within 15 cubic inches of each other, both intercooled, etc. etc. I just really think if you're going to get a kit, or fab a kit, do it right and put it in front. I think if you look into it deeper you'll see that the front mounted setups are the way to go.

And I don't mean to argue I'm just shedding some light on what I think is a misrepresented subject- And I know one of the first things you guys are going to point out is the fast big rear turbo automatic cars- thats fine, they don't have to worry about respool and response as much because of the auto- this is more of a daily driver/manual trans issue.

Sorry to write a novel.


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