837 RWHP 944 TQ 402ci F-Body APS Base Kit
03-01-2009, 07:57 AM
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Yeah i will get you the graph my I need to call Jason monday to send me the graph online my scanner is broke and i only have the graph on paper.
The back fire is due to the exhaust. We built a long h-pipe and the car is running really rich so we figure that its collecting all the unburned fuel in the h-pipe then when you let out it burns it.
The back fire is due to the exhaust. We built a long h-pipe and the car is running really rich so we figure that its collecting all the unburned fuel in the h-pipe then when you let out it burns it.
03-01-2009, 07:59 AM
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It makes me laugh every time i shift when getting on it. It does that on every shift at night it shoots a 3 foot flame out the sides hahahaha.
And yes no meth just a 109 octane and 91 octane mix.
And yes no meth just a 109 octane and 91 octane mix.
03-01-2009, 09:55 AM
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my car would pop when im on the gas at about 4500rpm scare the hell out of me some times. i run very rich because it is still stock bottom end. but not for too much longer LOL
03-01-2009, 12:21 PM
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Looking foward to seeing that graph. Hard to believe all you guys are so anxious to trade up turbos already.Like 8XXRWHP and 9XX RWTQ is not already huge power! LOL.
I like how quick these smaller turbos spool up,makes for a great street powerband.
Figure a bit of spray on top of them and can still have 1000rwhp. And not sure how far past that would want to push my 6.0 iron block. It isn't an LSX block.
As think mentioned already ordered new center sections off ebay with newer wheels according to the info. So might even get a bit faster spool but not really expecting much more power from them as they still fit in the standard inlet housings.
Well maybe I will also join the upgrade bandwandgon next season who knows.
I would for sure have ordered the upgraded kit if didn't have a kit already. A 402 or bigger can spool up that upgrade kit likely as good as a smaller 346 can spool up the standard kit. And you could of course run lower boost to make same power with the bigger kit and it should be stronger up top of course to higher redlines.
Starting to get really excited to drive my car again. Only got to drive a few weeks before put it away last year. Another 3 or 4 weeks should be able to take it out for its first spring drive..or more appropriately flight. Even at 7.5psi with the built 408 its easily the fastest car I have ever had and had some pretty fast ones. And while the guesstimated 600rwhp?? at minimum boost is not super impressive compared to say 1000rwhp it is still faster than just about any production car made.
Wanted to ask you about your rear end OneMean01. I plan on same rear end same gears.
Is it reasonably quiet ? Do you have normal torque arm setup or relocated off to trans crossmember or body mount type? I had spohn bodymount but it was too low so went to tranny relocated type. Should be getting the rearend this season but might put it off if do my 4l80e swap first. Figure rear end might last a bit behind the auto trans.
I was thinking of the dana s60 is loud then maybe just try out some quieter gears like stock or these Yukon gears,heard they are quiet. Course good idea to check setup on the gears before even run the rear end in case the factory setup guys were asleep at the wheel.!
I like how quick these smaller turbos spool up,makes for a great street powerband.
Figure a bit of spray on top of them and can still have 1000rwhp. And not sure how far past that would want to push my 6.0 iron block. It isn't an LSX block.
As think mentioned already ordered new center sections off ebay with newer wheels according to the info. So might even get a bit faster spool but not really expecting much more power from them as they still fit in the standard inlet housings.
Well maybe I will also join the upgrade bandwandgon next season who knows.
I would for sure have ordered the upgraded kit if didn't have a kit already. A 402 or bigger can spool up that upgrade kit likely as good as a smaller 346 can spool up the standard kit. And you could of course run lower boost to make same power with the bigger kit and it should be stronger up top of course to higher redlines.
Starting to get really excited to drive my car again. Only got to drive a few weeks before put it away last year. Another 3 or 4 weeks should be able to take it out for its first spring drive..or more appropriately flight. Even at 7.5psi with the built 408 its easily the fastest car I have ever had and had some pretty fast ones. And while the guesstimated 600rwhp?? at minimum boost is not super impressive compared to say 1000rwhp it is still faster than just about any production car made.
Wanted to ask you about your rear end OneMean01. I plan on same rear end same gears.
Is it reasonably quiet ? Do you have normal torque arm setup or relocated off to trans crossmember or body mount type? I had spohn bodymount but it was too low so went to tranny relocated type. Should be getting the rearend this season but might put it off if do my 4l80e swap first. Figure rear end might last a bit behind the auto trans.
I was thinking of the dana s60 is loud then maybe just try out some quieter gears like stock or these Yukon gears,heard they are quiet. Course good idea to check setup on the gears before even run the rear end in case the factory setup guys were asleep at the wheel.!
03-01-2009, 12:22 PM
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Turbos are DONE, they simply cant flow enough air. Killer power though! We made 800/905 on a stock cube/stock aps turbo car, and the turbos were done at 5500-5800, upgraded turbos(60lb/min) brought the curve up 120 rwhp at 6500.
Here is the comparison:
Here is the comparison:
03-01-2009, 12:50 PM
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Isn't the power still dropping off at 6000 to 6500 with the 60lb/min ones? So are they still too small to carry the power up top to say 7000 rpm limit wthout dropping off?
So heads or cam don't really have any effects? Or just allow same power to be made at lower psi?
Wondering if the smaller turbos can still do say 800rwhp at 5500 rpm is there really a need to go to 6500 or 7000 or would it only really be to trap higher without having to go into overdrive?
Also don't the bigger ones seem to have less torque at lower rpm I would think from slower spool up?
So heads or cam don't really have any effects? Or just allow same power to be made at lower psi?
Wondering if the smaller turbos can still do say 800rwhp at 5500 rpm is there really a need to go to 6500 or 7000 or would it only really be to trap higher without having to go into overdrive?
Also don't the bigger ones seem to have less torque at lower rpm I would think from slower spool up?
03-01-2009, 01:12 PM
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So heads or cam don't really have any effects? Or just allow same power to be made at lower psi?
Wondering if the smaller turbos can still do say 800rwhp at 5500 rpm is there really a need to go to 6500 or 7000 or would it only really be to trap higher without having to go into overdrive?
Also don't the bigger ones seem to have less torque at lower rpm I would think from slower spool up?
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03-02-2009, 11:58 AM
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dude it gets out of hand fast ill have 30 before its all done and thats everything so its not to bad having a like new badass car the way you want it. its all about how bad you want it
03-02-2009, 12:11 PM
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Hahaha car stuff is not cheap but i love it. Everything I put in the car withing a 2 month period the car appraised for $65000 and still not done with it. You just have to love it.
03-02-2009, 12:21 PM
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Some rough ideas on what things can cost..
I have easy 10k into my engine. Looking at at least another 5k into built 4l80e and stall.
Turbo kit was about 6000 landed here and still had to buy bmr k member and hooker ypipe. Already had quite a few mods on the car so several more thousand there in suspension. still need to spend anther 3000 or so on rearend,another couple thousand on fuel system. Had to get tuning software of course. Still want alc injection system.
Want new mags so can run wider tires. Another 1500 in gauges, eboost2, wideband.
So looks like about 30k not counting of course the price of the car. 500 in blow offs.
Sure still forgetting things.
Actually forgetting labor and while did a lot myself also did pay to get some stuff done on the car. Add at least another 3000 or so to my previous estimates but it could have gone way higher if paid full price shop rates .
I also sometimes wonder if its worth it ,could have bought a nice c6 for that but did do this a bit at a time so that helps space out the cash outlays.
Thats why most of us laugh pretty hard when someone says they want to build a 800 or 1000 rwhp car with budget of like 3k.
Still costs could be cut way down by cutting corners that are not that important. Built turbo 400 is good trans for people that don't care about the overdrive. You can run stock crank in a 6.0 or even 346 if you don't go bigger cubes. You can run like 317 heads and stock or gm z06 cam,ls6 intake or even ls1. You might get buy with stock rear end with an auto trans. You can cobble up a turbo kit for maybe 3000 or so or buy a used kit. You can go with cheap gauges,manual or no boost controller. Get someone to tune the car maybe for cheap.
But whatever my car is pretty near finished up the way I want it to be and hopefully can stay satisfied with it. Damn boost is so addictive!
I have easy 10k into my engine. Looking at at least another 5k into built 4l80e and stall.
Turbo kit was about 6000 landed here and still had to buy bmr k member and hooker ypipe. Already had quite a few mods on the car so several more thousand there in suspension. still need to spend anther 3000 or so on rearend,another couple thousand on fuel system. Had to get tuning software of course. Still want alc injection system.
Want new mags so can run wider tires. Another 1500 in gauges, eboost2, wideband.
So looks like about 30k not counting of course the price of the car. 500 in blow offs.
Sure still forgetting things.
Actually forgetting labor and while did a lot myself also did pay to get some stuff done on the car. Add at least another 3000 or so to my previous estimates but it could have gone way higher if paid full price shop rates .
I also sometimes wonder if its worth it ,could have bought a nice c6 for that but did do this a bit at a time so that helps space out the cash outlays.
Thats why most of us laugh pretty hard when someone says they want to build a 800 or 1000 rwhp car with budget of like 3k.
Still costs could be cut way down by cutting corners that are not that important. Built turbo 400 is good trans for people that don't care about the overdrive. You can run stock crank in a 6.0 or even 346 if you don't go bigger cubes. You can run like 317 heads and stock or gm z06 cam,ls6 intake or even ls1. You might get buy with stock rear end with an auto trans. You can cobble up a turbo kit for maybe 3000 or so or buy a used kit. You can go with cheap gauges,manual or no boost controller. Get someone to tune the car maybe for cheap.
But whatever my car is pretty near finished up the way I want it to be and hopefully can stay satisfied with it. Damn boost is so addictive!
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03-02-2009, 05:28 PM
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Some rough ideas on what things can cost..
I have easy 10k into my engine. Looking at at least another 5k into built 4l80e and stall.
Turbo kit was about 6000 landed here and still had to buy bmr k member and hooker ypipe. Already had quite a few mods on the car so several more thousand there in suspension. still need to spend anther 3000 or so on rearend,another couple thousand on fuel system. Had to get tuning software of course. Still want alc injection system.
Want new mags so can run wider tires. Another 1500 in gauges, eboost2, wideband.
So looks like about 30k not counting of course the price of the car. 500 in blow offs.
Sure still forgetting things.
Actually forgetting labor and while did a lot myself also did pay to get some stuff done on the car. Add at least another 3000 or so to my previous estimates but it could have gone way higher if paid full price shop rates .
I also sometimes wonder if its worth it ,could have bought a nice c6 for that but did do this a bit at a time so that helps space out the cash outlays.
Thats why most of us laugh pretty hard when someone says they want to build a 800 or 1000 rwhp car with budget of like 3k.
Still costs could be cut way down by cutting corners that are not that important. Built turbo 400 is good trans for people that don't care about the overdrive. You can run stock crank in a 6.0 or even 346 if you don't go bigger cubes. You can run like 317 heads and stock or gm z06 cam,ls6 intake or even ls1. You might get buy with stock rear end with an auto trans. You can cobble up a turbo kit for maybe 3000 or so or buy a used kit. You can go with cheap gauges,manual or no boost controller. Get someone to tune the car maybe for cheap.
But whatever my car is pretty near finished up the way I want it to be and hopefully can stay satisfied with it. Damn boost is so addictive!
I have easy 10k into my engine. Looking at at least another 5k into built 4l80e and stall.
Turbo kit was about 6000 landed here and still had to buy bmr k member and hooker ypipe. Already had quite a few mods on the car so several more thousand there in suspension. still need to spend anther 3000 or so on rearend,another couple thousand on fuel system. Had to get tuning software of course. Still want alc injection system.
Want new mags so can run wider tires. Another 1500 in gauges, eboost2, wideband.
So looks like about 30k not counting of course the price of the car. 500 in blow offs.
Sure still forgetting things.
Actually forgetting labor and while did a lot myself also did pay to get some stuff done on the car. Add at least another 3000 or so to my previous estimates but it could have gone way higher if paid full price shop rates .
I also sometimes wonder if its worth it ,could have bought a nice c6 for that but did do this a bit at a time so that helps space out the cash outlays.
Thats why most of us laugh pretty hard when someone says they want to build a 800 or 1000 rwhp car with budget of like 3k.
Still costs could be cut way down by cutting corners that are not that important. Built turbo 400 is good trans for people that don't care about the overdrive. You can run stock crank in a 6.0 or even 346 if you don't go bigger cubes. You can run like 317 heads and stock or gm z06 cam,ls6 intake or even ls1. You might get buy with stock rear end with an auto trans. You can cobble up a turbo kit for maybe 3000 or so or buy a used kit. You can go with cheap gauges,manual or no boost controller. Get someone to tune the car maybe for cheap.
But whatever my car is pretty near finished up the way I want it to be and hopefully can stay satisfied with it. Damn boost is so addictive!
if anyone comes up with that recipe let me know
$65,000 where did the extra 30ish come from compared to these other two guys?!