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Old 04-23-2009, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by longrange4u
You can run subframes... I have BMR's on mine. It also looks like the new STS kit has re-enforced the cold pipe to act as a subframe... with the Diamond re-enforcements..

Here is a bad pic under mine... but you can see the red BMR subframe rail on each side...

How and why are you running two cold pipes.
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Originally Posted by Ls1Gummi
How and why are you running two cold pipes.
I think because of the power level he is pushing and the size of the turbo. It works as you can see. There was some number crunching in to how much hp a certain pipe size versus flow can support but times two.


Hell I dont know.
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Originally Posted by OUTLAWZ RACING
I think because of the power level he is pushing and the size of the turbo. It works as you can see. There was some number crunching in to how much hp a certain pipe size versus flow can support but times two.


Hell I dont know.
seems to make sense, i wonder at what power level the stock sts cool side pipes start to become a problem for the 4th gens.
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I think the new design addresses many issues with the origonal STS kit. The subframe cold pipe is a nice touch. I also like how the cold piping runs to the far side of the intercooler after passing the cat converter/exhaust for better ambient cooling.

The 3x things that stick out to me are that (1). The BOV is before the intercooler (thought that was a big no-no), (2). the 180 degree bend over the axle still bends low before running the driver frame rail. That was actually the lowest portion of my origonal kit. Appears to be the same now. You'd think that even with the LCA nearby the pipe could bend 90 degrees toward the center of the car and avoid the dip toward the ground. That would add 1" clearance. With a 180 degree bend in the system, the added bend from 45 to 90 degrees wouldn't noticably affect performance. (3). STS is still using the "bilge pump" for a return instead of a pump designed for oil (ie Mocal).

Overall, I'm glad to see they addressed the "non-intercooled" BS that STS touted for years + the improved pipe layout. I'd give it a B+.
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Schantin, I agree with all of your stated above. I will also say that my BOV is before my intercooler. I never moved it after installing my IC. It seems that it just makes a whooshing sound back and forth...seems to me that pressure relieves, it closes, it builds back up and opens...etc. Haven't had any problems at all *knock on wood
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How is the air filter supposed to get air all sealed up inside there? Am I missing something?
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Originally Posted by ZL1Killa
Schantin, I agree with all of your stated above. I will also say that my BOV is before my intercooler. I never moved it after installing my IC. It seems that it just makes a whooshing sound back and forth...seems to me that pressure relieves, it closes, it builds back up and opens...etc. Haven't had any problems at all *knock on wood
The blow off valve works better at eliminating compressor surge when it is between the turbo and the intercooler as opposed to being between the intercooler and the throttle body.
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Originally Posted by pwrtrip75
How is the air filter supposed to get air all sealed up inside there? Am I missing something?
The compartment where the air filter sits is not completly "sealed".
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any pictures of the F body convertible system?
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the intercooler kit will it keep the fog lights for a trans am?
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No it will not
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looks great! I have the old system with a few different modifications. My BOV is in fact between the IC and TB and I got rid of that hideous over-the-axle pipe and replaced it with the "tube" which helped considerably IMO. I also had a special I pipe that went over the axle to feed into the turbo to help with some ground clearance... looked great IMO

I since December switched to a 370 and KYTP front mount kit and swapping to a TH400 with a 3k stall, we'll see how it stacks up against the STS kit which made 513/525 with cam and M6 with 7.5psi
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Originally Posted by 180ls1
seems to make sense, i wonder at what power level the stock sts cool side pipes start to become a problem for the 4th gens.
I still have the 2.25 driver side pipe on mine but everything else is three inch. So it can support some power but jareds set up has way way more in it
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Originally Posted by OUTLAWZ RACING
I still have the 2.25 driver side pipe on mine but everything else is three inch. So it can support some power but jareds set up has way way more in it
wow that is pretty impressive, thanks for the reply.
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i wish sts would spend more time on figuring out how to move the turbo closer to the motor then adding another pipe in the back so you will have dual tips.
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The turbo is still in the back? That sucks.
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Default Pipe Size (2.25 vs. 2) Question

OK, not to hyjack, but, I have a noob STS question:

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My STS kit has a 2" OD pipe right out of the turbo that opens up to 2.25 OD at the end of the first 90 degree turn, and then stays at the 2.25" OD for the whole journey under the car.

QUESTION

If ground clearence under an f body is an issue, then why open up the pipe from 2" to 2.25"?

Is 2" too small? Is there a different reason which trumps ground clearence and makes expanding the pipe a good idea?

LMK - Thanks!

Originally Posted by OUTLAWZ RACING
I still have the 2.25 driver side pipe on mine but everything else is three inch. So it can support some power but jareds set up has way way more in it
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Originally Posted by great421
OK, not to hyjack, but, I have a noob STS question:

INFO

My STS kit has a 2" OD pipe right out of the turbo that opens up to 2.25 OD at the end of the first 90 degree turn, and then stays at the 2.25" OD for the whole journey under the car.

QUESTION

If ground clearence under an f body is an issue, then why open up the pipe from 2" to 2.25"?

Is 2" too small? Is there a different reason which trumps ground clearence and makes expanding the pipe a good idea?

LMK - Thanks!
Once again somebody is thinking what I am. Physics state that when a gas cools, as little as it may be, it decreases in volume so coming out of a 2" opening, that is the "bottleneck" in the system. Right? So going to 2.25 or 2.50 after the 2" opening does not make sense because it doesn't increase in volume again. Especially if you're talking about hot gases straight out of the manifold, gases start to cool immediately. Could it be a friction decrease because of larger pipe? IDK. Obviously there are a lot of guys here with rear mounts making insane power with big piping, just trying to solve clearance issues and maybe improving efficiency every little bit. Thermal physics gurus and geeks please let us know your opinion. Didn't mean to write a book here.

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Originally Posted by The Fugitive
the intercooler kit will it keep the fog lights for a trans am?
Nope!:
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