anyone on here roll around without a front swaybar?
I have had my front swaybar off for four years.
It's fine at high speeds, I have done 165mph in my car.
Just be aware that you now take corners like a 84 Coup de Ville.
It's fine at high speeds, I have done 165mph in my car.
Just be aware that you now take corners like a 84 Coup de Ville.
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25PSI,
Have you actually pulled your Sway bar off? Just curious if your speaking from experience or no offense.. Out your ***? heheh.. J/K.
As I mentioned before.. Seems the people who've never done this are the ones hyping it up like your gonna feel like your driving over ice.
Of all the research I've done.. Most of the folks like Noyzee that have actually pulled theirs off typically are of the opinion that it's no where near as bad as those who've NEVER done it make it out to be.
Anyhow, I"m going to actually give it a try for myself.. No biggie.. If it sucks I'll put it back on..
Have you actually pulled your Sway bar off? Just curious if your speaking from experience or no offense.. Out your ***? heheh.. J/K.
As I mentioned before.. Seems the people who've never done this are the ones hyping it up like your gonna feel like your driving over ice.
Of all the research I've done.. Most of the folks like Noyzee that have actually pulled theirs off typically are of the opinion that it's no where near as bad as those who've NEVER done it make it out to be.
Anyhow, I"m going to actually give it a try for myself.. No biggie.. If it sucks I'll put it back on..
Originally Posted by StalkerLS1
25PSI,
Have you actually pulled your Sway bar off? Just curious if your speaking from experience or no offense.. Out your ***? heheh.. J/K.
As I mentioned before.. Seems the people who've never done this are the ones hyping it up like your gonna feel like your driving over ice.
Of all the research I've done.. Most of the folks like Noyzee that have actually pulled theirs off typically are of the opinion that it's no where near as bad as those who've NEVER done it make it out to be.
Anyhow, I"m going to actually give it a try for myself.. No biggie.. If it sucks I'll put it back on..
Have you actually pulled your Sway bar off? Just curious if your speaking from experience or no offense.. Out your ***? heheh.. J/K.
As I mentioned before.. Seems the people who've never done this are the ones hyping it up like your gonna feel like your driving over ice.
Of all the research I've done.. Most of the folks like Noyzee that have actually pulled theirs off typically are of the opinion that it's no where near as bad as those who've NEVER done it make it out to be.
Anyhow, I"m going to actually give it a try for myself.. No biggie.. If it sucks I'll put it back on..
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Hey, What is that supposed to mean?
Just helping out. You get these muttin heads that dont even own an f-body telling people your screwed if you do it. And I know first hand it aint bad unless your road racing.
You bustin my *****?
Im going to need you to change my #'s on the boosted list. Im racing this weekend. I hope they get better!!! Im also working on my pics, I just got a couple on cd, just have to get them up.
Just helping out. You get these muttin heads that dont even own an f-body telling people your screwed if you do it. And I know first hand it aint bad unless your road racing.
You bustin my *****?
Im going to need you to change my #'s on the boosted list. Im racing this weekend. I hope they get better!!! Im also working on my pics, I just got a couple on cd, just have to get them up.
I take mine off when I go to the track. Without it in, it handles similar to any other "regular" cars out there.
It will help your 60' time no doubt. As you go down the track having it in or out should have no effect, as you're not turning, so the swaybar would essentially be static.
It will help your 60' time no doubt. As you go down the track having it in or out should have no effect, as you're not turning, so the swaybar would essentially be static.
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No I'm not talking out of my ***, but trying to make a logical conclusion, as to why you would take something off. Granted it might save a few lbs, but is it worth it? Most people that have theres off, might subconsiously think it has a postive effect on your 1/4 times, but do you actually have any proof that it does? Just becuase they ran a better time on that day with it off, doesn't necessarily mean it was becuase of a sway bar.
No the swaybar is not static! Eventhough you are going straight, your car tends to sway side to side, without you even noticing. Example: when parents notice that there kids teeth are crooked, what do they do? They go out and purchase braces for their child. Now if thier teeth are crooked, what are the purpose of the braces. To help keep them straight. Right! Now take those same braces and take them off before the teeth have a chance to be straightened. Then what do you think would happen(there end up going crooked again)?
Swaybars are not just intended for making turns, it helps stabilize the car at certain speeds.
No the swaybar is not static! Eventhough you are going straight, your car tends to sway side to side, without you even noticing. Example: when parents notice that there kids teeth are crooked, what do they do? They go out and purchase braces for their child. Now if thier teeth are crooked, what are the purpose of the braces. To help keep them straight. Right! Now take those same braces and take them off before the teeth have a chance to be straightened. Then what do you think would happen(there end up going crooked again)?
Swaybars are not just intended for making turns, it helps stabilize the car at certain speeds.
25psi are you running an Fbody? Do you have any understanding of the purpose of the front swaybar and what frond end travel and weight transferance is?
Most of the poeple on this thread do not AutoX, so they dont really need the front sway bar, its safe its proven and it works to reduce 60ft and 1/4mi ETs.
you can't compare Teeth and braces to a sway bar.
If what you are tring to say is valid god help us all with the amount of people running Drag/Street Struts and springs. for that matter why even change away from factory?
I am not tring to bash you but you really seem like you have no idea.
Most of the poeple on this thread do not AutoX, so they dont really need the front sway bar, its safe its proven and it works to reduce 60ft and 1/4mi ETs.
you can't compare Teeth and braces to a sway bar.
If what you are tring to say is valid god help us all with the amount of people running Drag/Street Struts and springs. for that matter why even change away from factory?
I am not tring to bash you but you really seem like you have no idea.
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Your right, I really don't have a clue(not being sarcastic either)! I'm still trying to comprehend why you do it. As for what car I drive, what difference does it make. All I know, whether it be supra,rx7,slivia,mr2,etc..., they have all been sub 9 and 8 second cars, with there swaybars.
Different types of cars react differently to the same mod agreed?
The geometry each type of car is different but, By removing the Stock Swaybar on an Fbody does not so dramatically change the Supsension Geometry as say it would on a supra or rx7,mr2. where as those cars might be so off balance it would be a hazard to drive them safely. ( just using those cars you stated, i have no idea about them)
Removing or disconecting the Sway bar is basic weight transferance , it is not about the 14 or so pounds it weights but the about the amount of deflection it has in a negitive away towards trying to pull the weight back to the front of the car instead of the rear , am i making an sense? By removing the Swaybar the Geometry is not changed enought to make the car unsafe by any means but would i try to Autox with out it no. If i was AutoX i surely would not use Drag/Street set-up in the first place. For puttsing around town and Stoplight/Steet Light /Drag racing removing the Swaybar will have no to little noticable on those types of driving styles since they do not corner like a corner cutter would or an Autoxer will. I am trying to explain this the best way i can. the type of car sometimes will explain why a mod will or will not work. And you are correct it does not matter what kind of car you drive i worded my question poorly.
i was trying to use what ever car you had as an example to try and explain about weight transfer.
The geometry each type of car is different but, By removing the Stock Swaybar on an Fbody does not so dramatically change the Supsension Geometry as say it would on a supra or rx7,mr2. where as those cars might be so off balance it would be a hazard to drive them safely. ( just using those cars you stated, i have no idea about them)
Removing or disconecting the Sway bar is basic weight transferance , it is not about the 14 or so pounds it weights but the about the amount of deflection it has in a negitive away towards trying to pull the weight back to the front of the car instead of the rear , am i making an sense? By removing the Swaybar the Geometry is not changed enought to make the car unsafe by any means but would i try to Autox with out it no. If i was AutoX i surely would not use Drag/Street set-up in the first place. For puttsing around town and Stoplight/Steet Light /Drag racing removing the Swaybar will have no to little noticable on those types of driving styles since they do not corner like a corner cutter would or an Autoxer will. I am trying to explain this the best way i can. the type of car sometimes will explain why a mod will or will not work. And you are correct it does not matter what kind of car you drive i worded my question poorly.
i was trying to use what ever car you had as an example to try and explain about weight transfer.
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Originally Posted by Noyzee
Hey, What is that supposed to mean?
Just helping out. You get these muttin heads that dont even own an f-body telling people your screwed if you do it. And I know first hand it aint bad unless your road racing.
You bustin my *****?
Im going to need you to change my #'s on the boosted list. Im racing this weekend. I hope they get better!!! Im also working on my pics, I just got a couple on cd, just have to get them up.
Just helping out. You get these muttin heads that dont even own an f-body telling people your screwed if you do it. And I know first hand it aint bad unless your road racing.
You bustin my *****?
Im going to need you to change my #'s on the boosted list. Im racing this weekend. I hope they get better!!! Im also working on my pics, I just got a couple on cd, just have to get them up.
5 years no swaybar no problem. It does help transfer the weight. Plus you still handle better than 80% of the cars out there.
25psi,
Usually people are looking for facts from people that have actual experience, not what you consider common since.
my .02
25psi,
Usually people are looking for facts from people that have actual experience, not what you consider common since.
my .02
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well those cars u mentioned were IRS cars..
and removal of the front sway bar might not make all that difference, but it is easier to get the wheels up/help weight transfer to the rear wheels.
not many supra, rx-7s, mr2s weighing 3600+ pounds brake the 9s. or have solid rear axels.
and removal of the front sway bar might not make all that difference, but it is easier to get the wheels up/help weight transfer to the rear wheels.
not many supra, rx-7s, mr2s weighing 3600+ pounds brake the 9s. or have solid rear axels.
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25psi. Part of winning drag races is consistency. If the car is running well, the biggest problem you are going to have is consistency at launching. Wheel-spin is a problem at take-off. Part of what contributes to wheel-spin is not having a proper transferral of weight to the rear where it is more helpful.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand if you can transfer weight to the rear and reduce spin, you not only get quicker launches but more consistent track times. This is essential to winning races.
A quicker 60' WILL result in quicker ET's, everything else remaining equal... there's no question about that. And, for races where you want to dial in your time, it is ALSO essential that you be consistent, or no matter HOW fast/quick you are, you will STILL lose a drag race.
Surely you can understand that? There is NOTHING psychological about it.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand if you can transfer weight to the rear and reduce spin, you not only get quicker launches but more consistent track times. This is essential to winning races.
A quicker 60' WILL result in quicker ET's, everything else remaining equal... there's no question about that. And, for races where you want to dial in your time, it is ALSO essential that you be consistent, or no matter HOW fast/quick you are, you will STILL lose a drag race.
Surely you can understand that? There is NOTHING psychological about it.
