The cost of boost for the LS1.
As expensive as a FI LS1 is, I feel it's worth it. I dont like to go a little fast, I like to go REALLY fast. Speed costs money however you want to do it.
I have an interesting persective.
Go read the Internal forum and see how exited everyone gets over small power gains.
Example: 440 RWHP is a fairly easy thing to accomplish with an NA LS1.
Go post over there that you got 470 RWHP and you'll get at least a dozen people with responses like "Holy crap" and "That's amazing" ...... I'm thinking "What's the big f'ing deal about 30 more HP"?
When you go FI you start counting by the hundreds.
I have an interesting persective.
Go read the Internal forum and see how exited everyone gets over small power gains.
Example: 440 RWHP is a fairly easy thing to accomplish with an NA LS1.
Go post over there that you got 470 RWHP and you'll get at least a dozen people with responses like "Holy crap" and "That's amazing" ...... I'm thinking "What's the big f'ing deal about 30 more HP"?
When you go FI you start counting by the hundreds.
On The Tree
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 124
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From: MD
i'd like to throw in my .02 on this issue, even though i'm new to FI.
For 450-480hp i can bolt on a charger/headers/etc... and have a great, reliable car that PASSES EMISSIONS!!!!
I know for a lot of people, that isn't a concern...but if I were to go bolt on, i'd have to get a pretty big cam to make those kind of numbers, and that would not pass emissions in MD!
I think a lot of people start hating FI when they start getting greedy. My goal is to have a near 500hp car. If i were going for 500 or over, i'd do a nice big bore with spray....but once you start enjoying that boost, you gotta figure that a new motor is going to have to go in, and then it becomes just like an N/A build up.
My main reasons for FI were:
constant power
i can bolt it on myself
it will pass emissions
For 450-480hp i can bolt on a charger/headers/etc... and have a great, reliable car that PASSES EMISSIONS!!!!
I know for a lot of people, that isn't a concern...but if I were to go bolt on, i'd have to get a pretty big cam to make those kind of numbers, and that would not pass emissions in MD!
I think a lot of people start hating FI when they start getting greedy. My goal is to have a near 500hp car. If i were going for 500 or over, i'd do a nice big bore with spray....but once you start enjoying that boost, you gotta figure that a new motor is going to have to go in, and then it becomes just like an N/A build up.
My main reasons for FI were:
constant power
i can bolt it on myself
it will pass emissions
Thread Starter
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 8,259
Likes: 4
From: Valrico, Florida
Originally Posted by BlackBootyZ71
i'd like to throw in my .02 on this issue, even though i'm new to FI.
For 450-480hp i can bolt on a charger/headers/etc... and have a great, reliable car that PASSES EMISSIONS!!!!
I know for a lot of people, that isn't a concern...but if I were to go bolt on, i'd have to get a pretty big cam to make those kind of numbers, and that would not pass emissions in MD!
I think a lot of people start hating FI when they start getting greedy. My goal is to have a near 500hp car. If i were going for 500 or over, i'd do a nice big bore with spray....but once you start enjoying that boost, you gotta figure that a new motor is going to have to go in, and then it becomes just like an N/A build up.
My main reasons for FI were:
constant power
i can bolt it on myself
it will pass emissions
For 450-480hp i can bolt on a charger/headers/etc... and have a great, reliable car that PASSES EMISSIONS!!!!
I know for a lot of people, that isn't a concern...but if I were to go bolt on, i'd have to get a pretty big cam to make those kind of numbers, and that would not pass emissions in MD!
I think a lot of people start hating FI when they start getting greedy. My goal is to have a near 500hp car. If i were going for 500 or over, i'd do a nice big bore with spray....but once you start enjoying that boost, you gotta figure that a new motor is going to have to go in, and then it becomes just like an N/A build up.
My main reasons for FI were:
constant power
i can bolt it on myself
it will pass emissions
TECH Fanatic
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 1,384
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From: Jersey boy
the only diff between F/I and nitrous is how you want to pay. would you rather fill your bottle up every time you want to go fast(and for most of us it is ALOT of the time) or do you want to pay up front and be able to go fast whenever you want without having to pay more $$. to make big numbers/fast times in either case you will need many of the same things to make it work. things like internals, trans, rear, fuel sys, tuning, etc. the difference is with a blower or turbo you pay a little more to get started(or upgrade) and sure things break but a guy spraying 250+ will be spending a nice amount of money refilling his bottle all the time. after a while it adds up and the more often you want to feel/use that power the faster it will even out. personally i would rather go F/I, and i will someday. but for now it is the initial startup cost that prevents me from doing it. when i do decide to go F/I i will try to do it with a strong enough powertrain and a properly sized turbo for the power i wish to make. untill then the nitrous is just something to keep me from foaming at the mouth in anticipation.
On The Tree
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 124
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From: MD
Originally Posted by VINCE
You can take the supercharger off and sell it and purchase a direct port setup and two bottles. You will be faster, pass emissions and still have money left to fill the bottles for over a year.
To each their own i guess!
TECH Fanatic
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,220
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From: Germantown, MD
I got this car to learn, and it has certainly done that for me. Sure if 600 rwhp was my goal I could probably sell the Hawk, buy a cobra with a twin screw and still come out about even if not better off. But I love my F-Bod and for the same amount I could spend on making a reliable 600rwhp FI F-Bod I could have a reliable 800rwhp FI F-Bod for not much more. Block is key for setups that big.
Like was said before, this is a hobby and what i enjoy doing. I don't look at the money spent as a waste, but an investment in what I like doing. True it is expensive, but no one ever said this route was the cheap way out.
As for N2O V. FI. After you've sprayed for a year and have equalled the cost of a blower in refill chargers, what do you have to show for it? An empty bottle and an itchy trigger finger. So while the initial setup fees are ay cheaper for the N2O guy, it will catch up with them eventually. It's like buying a movie vs. renting it.
Don't regret going FI for a second. And plan on going ay further!
Mike
Like was said before, this is a hobby and what i enjoy doing. I don't look at the money spent as a waste, but an investment in what I like doing. True it is expensive, but no one ever said this route was the cheap way out.
As for N2O V. FI. After you've sprayed for a year and have equalled the cost of a blower in refill chargers, what do you have to show for it? An empty bottle and an itchy trigger finger. So while the initial setup fees are ay cheaper for the N2O guy, it will catch up with them eventually. It's like buying a movie vs. renting it.
Don't regret going FI for a second. And plan on going ay further!
Mike
TECH Fanatic
Joined: Mar 2003
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From: Jersey boy
and FYI im trying to sell my NXL for 1100 with the carbon fiber bottle. all parts that came with the kit are here(plus ones that were missing form the kit and i had to order). never been used. so anyone who would rather go N20 shoot me a pm.
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