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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 07:03 PM
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E85 is like 105 octane or so. You can run a bunch of boost before you need methanol. You need 30% more fuel volume though(and 20%-30% worse on miles per gallon). So if you had a fuel pump that was good to 1000hp on gas it's now only good to 700hp. Same for injectors.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 10:54 PM
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my bad, i ment CT, no hint at all, i don't know the limits of 91 or 93 oct is all... i think i'v seen somewhere on here people tuning for E85 and getting some nice numbers

on my little forged LT1 on 91 i'm just over 500rear wheel on a onetime mailorder tune
haha - yea no problem. we don't have e85 here.. i would have been all over that if that was the case
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 08:41 AM
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Another typical noob question I am not seeing when running a search lol

2-Step!

What needs to be done to make it happen?! Anyone experience any issues with rear mounted turbos?


ALSO!

Will a Tubular K-Member help with clearance so I can bring the charge pipe up higher away from the ground?

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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 08:47 AM
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The downfall of the rearmount with the power goals is the serious lag it will have and the backpressure on the exhaust valves. We ran a T70 on a 346 which made 700rwhp at 16lbs of boost.It would full spool at 4-4.5k rpm compared to a front mount turbo we did after that would full spool at 3k rpm.

Another note,with the 16lbs the car would lift the head gaskets during WOT 4th gear pulls down the highway.
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 09:06 AM
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The downfall of the rearmount with the power goals is the serious lag it will have and the backpressure on the exhaust valves. We ran a T70 on a 346 which made 700rwhp at 16lbs of boost.It would full spool at 4-4.5k rpm compared to a front mount turbo we did after that would full spool at 3k rpm.

Another note,with the 16lbs the car would lift the head gaskets during WOT 4th gear pulls down the highway.
That last statement scares me lol - what gaskets and bolts/studs were on it?
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sujomatt
That last statement scares me lol - what gaskets and bolts/studs were on it?
ARP studs,GM metal gaskets .Tried torque to 90 ft/lbs. Alot of exhaust backpressure with the rear mount for some reason.
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 11:03 AM
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if that is all just get the block or heads oringed and you shouldn't have to worry about pushing water. I am not sure if lifting the heads and pushing water is the same thing here but there have been guys with more psi doing fine with the rear mount. I am currently going to invest in a 2-step but I have books to buy for school so it will have to wait a month. I am probably going to get the MSD one from summit.
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 11:17 AM
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I have a 364, with a 78mm turbo, ecs intercooler, 60 lb injectors, And i have a RSI twim pump system for my corvette awesome fuel system.
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if that is all just get the block or heads oringed and you shouldn't have to worry about pushing water. I am not sure if lifting the heads and pushing water is the same thing here but there have been guys with more psi doing fine with the rear mount. I am currently going to invest in a 2-step but I have books to buy for school so it will have to wait a month. I am probably going to get the MSD one from summit.
I just took a look at Summit's site - found it!

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I have a 364, with a 78mm turbo, ecs intercooler, 60 lb injectors, And i have a RSI twim pump system for my corvette awesome fuel system.
What numbers are you making?? Sounds solid

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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 01:24 PM
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Would the ST80 1.0 a/r work well on this as well? i saw something on zombie's - seems to be making power and using that quick spool

is the TC78's exhaust divided/TS for a quick spool?

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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
ARP studs,GM metal gaskets .Tried torque to 90 ft/lbs. Alot of exhaust backpressure with the rear mount for some reason.
im thinking because the restriction is before the turbo instead of after it?? just a thought.
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
ARP studs,GM metal gaskets .Tried torque to 90 ft/lbs. Alot of exhaust backpressure with the rear mount for some reason.
housing a/r and rear end gears make all the difference in setting up a high horsepower rear mount seems to be much more important than a front mount.
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 03:23 PM
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So yea back to my remaining questions!

1) Tubular Turbo K Member good for Rear mounted pipe routing?

2) TC78GTS ? ST80 ? Quick Spool Valve (TCs come Divorced/TS?) lol
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sujomatt
Would the ST80 1.0 a/r work well on this as well? i saw something on zombie's - seems to be making power and using that quick spool

is the TC78's exhaust divided/TS for a quick spool?
ST80 or SX80 will indeed flow more and have less backpressure issues. I would go bigger than 1.0 on the AR. If you are going to use a quick spool, go like 1.2-1.3 on the AR. The TC78 can be bought with a 1.15 divided housing that you could use a quick spool valve on. You need to figure out what HP you want to be at the crank and size your turbo from there. Up to 1000 the TC78 would be great. You want 1200-1400, then you should get the ST or SX80.
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 05:06 PM
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haha yea, well i mean the more power the better. i really like that quick spool option... im torn right now lol
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 07:06 PM
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A TC unit can be had with a divided flange as well for a quick spool though I don't think you would need it.
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Yea for simplicity sake I think I may do the TC78.. Still thinking about it. (I thought I saw something about a GTS version - could you elaborate on that DrTurbo?)

Also, I dont know if this was covered - but is a Turbo Tubular K Member useful with a rear mounted system? Or just grab a plain old Tubular K Member? Figured while I am there, save some weight..
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sujomatt
Yea for simplicity sake I think I may do the TC78.. Still thinking about it. (I thought I saw something about a GTS version - could you elaborate on that DrTurbo?)

Also, I dont know if this was covered - but is a Turbo Tubular K Member useful with a rear mounted system? Or just grab a plain old Tubular K Member? Figured while I am there, save some weight..
Your probably thinking about the GTM version. It has the race cover on it.....larger externally though with that cover.
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Originally Posted by DrTurbo
Your probably thinking about the GTM version. It has the race cover on it.....larger externally though with that cover.
okay so for a rear mount which of these turbos would out perform and out spool (can you put them in order by best to worst in each category) GTMT78 TC78, GTK1000, and T78?
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Old Jan 7, 2010 | 07:31 AM
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Throw the ST80 in that list please haha
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