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So what you are saying is that you dont have one. my point exactly. I am in a phsics class in college currently FYI and can tell you this, pressure is pressure. Sure a 12ft pipe will take longer to pressurize than a 2 foot one. But just how long? Maybe a second, and probably not that. Thats why they even step the pipe to get it up there quicker. And therefore even taking a little longer to pressurize than a front mount if it makes you sleep better at night call it a little less efficient. But who gives a **** when she said it will see the track 7-10 times annually? If it was a race car i would say a front mount. Just my .02 Oh BTW i have a 418 with a .96 housing and t76, and my **** is pretty efficient. Sure maybe be a little small housing on a 418 so you might say thats choking it on the top. Yepp after 6k it is, which is why you shift! lol
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Again, any pictures or little tips will help a million. If I had an LS1 F-Body I would probably consider another alternative. But I am excited about my turbo endeavor.
When comparing front mounts to rear mount people always me included always talk about how the front mount is more efficient. All things being equal it is but very few people are taking full advantage of either types. We don't run the most efficient turbos, the best head and cam packages, the turbo at it's most efficient spot on a map, etc. I want a car capable of going 9.99 and either set up can do that.
Serious question who makes a front mount that keeps the AC and will get you 700rwhp, single turbo F body? I would be interested.
Serious question who makes a front mount that keeps the AC and will get you 700rwhp, single turbo F body? I would be interested.
So what you are saying is that you dont have one. my point exactly. I am in a phsics class in college currently FYI and can tell you this, pressure is pressure. Sure a 12ft pipe will take longer to pressurize than a 2 foot one. But just how long? Maybe a second, and probably not that. Thats why they even step the pipe to get it up there quicker. And therefore even taking a little longer to pressurize than a front mount if it makes you sleep better at night call it a little less efficient. But who gives a **** when she said it will see the track 7-10 times annually? If it was a race car i would say a front mount. Just my .02 Oh BTW i have a 418 with a .96 housing and t76, and my **** is pretty efficient. Sure maybe be a little small housing on a 418 so you might say thats choking it on the top. Yepp after 6k it is, which is why you shift! lol
you are missing the point where the exhaust gases have to travel all the way down to the rear of the car, and by the time they get all the way down there the exhaust gases cool, i don't care how much you wrap all the pipes or coat them they will still loose heat. and when the air is hot it expands and that is why a front mount turbo setup is more efficient then a rear mount. also i read somewhere that st used to advertise that their turbo system does not need an inter cooler because by the time the compressed air gets to the throttle body it will be cooled, i wonder what happens to all the exhaust gases that need to travel about the same distance
there is more to it then just the charge pipes.
you are missing the point where the exhaust gases have to travel all the way down to the rear of the car, and by the time they get all the way down there the exhaust gases cool, i don't care how much you wrap all the pipes or coat them they will still loose heat. and when the air is hot it expands and that is why a front mount turbo setup is more efficient then a rear mount. also i read somewhere that st used to advertise that their turbo system does not need an inter cooler because by the time the compressed air gets to the throttle body it will be cooled, i wonder what happens to all the exhaust gases that need to travel about the same distance
you are missing the point where the exhaust gases have to travel all the way down to the rear of the car, and by the time they get all the way down there the exhaust gases cool, i don't care how much you wrap all the pipes or coat them they will still loose heat. and when the air is hot it expands and that is why a front mount turbo setup is more efficient then a rear mount. also i read somewhere that st used to advertise that their turbo system does not need an inter cooler because by the time the compressed air gets to the throttle body it will be cooled, i wonder what happens to all the exhaust gases that need to travel about the same distance
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Verdad Gallardo No arguement from me, front mount is more efficient, that being said you can still make power with a rear mount. If your going for the most horsepower possible no question front mount for most of us either can be made to work. I've owned both, I had a front mount back when nobody was making more than 550rwhp. So just the fact people are debating this is pretty cool.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/T...ass_717245.htm
the whole point of turbocharging a car is to make power as efficiently as possible, when you place the turbo in the back some of this efficiency is lost and for me this kind of spoils it.
also for a rear mount turbo set up you will need to pick a turbo with the smaller a/r exhaust housing then you would normally get for a front mount, people do this to compensate for the turbo lag that you will get if you install a turbo with a bigger a/r, that will work fine on a front mount system.
yes all the rear mount guys love paul major and always use him as an example, personally i think it is stupid to compare it to a car that will be used to drive on the street, majors car was built just to go in the straight line that's it. why do you think there is not a single production car that had the turbo mounted in back ?
most of the people who buy the sts kit don't have the money for a front mount kit or do not want to do (or afford) the work that is involved to install a turbo kit in to an f body
i would love to see somebody install a rear mount turbo in to a small cube motor like a Honda 1.6L and see how great that spools.
if i was in a position where i wanted FI and only had around four thousand i would be looking in to a procharger kit , allot more thought and engineering went in to that setup then sts
also for a rear mount turbo set up you will need to pick a turbo with the smaller a/r exhaust housing then you would normally get for a front mount, people do this to compensate for the turbo lag that you will get if you install a turbo with a bigger a/r, that will work fine on a front mount system.
yes all the rear mount guys love paul major and always use him as an example, personally i think it is stupid to compare it to a car that will be used to drive on the street, majors car was built just to go in the straight line that's it. why do you think there is not a single production car that had the turbo mounted in back ?
most of the people who buy the sts kit don't have the money for a front mount kit or do not want to do (or afford) the work that is involved to install a turbo kit in to an f body
i would love to see somebody install a rear mount turbo in to a small cube motor like a Honda 1.6L and see how great that spools.
if i was in a position where i wanted FI and only had around four thousand i would be looking in to a procharger kit , allot more thought and engineering went in to that setup then sts
Were not taking about a Honda here.
I don't know why people are always knocking sts kits or rear mount setups, everyone that has taken a ride in my car are totally amazed on how hard it pulls. It hits soft on the tires and drivetrain but makes monster power. Most of the people that say they suck don't know what they are talking about and haven't driven or rode in a car with one on it.
My car runs like stock until you mash the throttle and then all hell breaks loose.
how is this for competitve drag racing in a rear mount.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/T...ass_717245.htm
I am running a rear mount and smoke z06 vettes, I would say not a bad upgrade for 4000 bucks..
Procharger kit is way more money than a sts kit and you have to change the oil all the time, nevemind having the belt fly off on you.
Were not taking about a Honda here.
I don't know why people are always knocking sts kits or rear mount setups, everyone that has taken a ride in my car are totally amazed on how hard it pulls. It hits soft on the tires and drivetrain but makes monster power. Most of the people that say they suck don't know what they are talking about and haven't driven or rode in a car with one on it.
My car runs like stock until you mash the throttle and then all hell breaks loose.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/T...ass_717245.htm
I am running a rear mount and smoke z06 vettes, I would say not a bad upgrade for 4000 bucks..
Procharger kit is way more money than a sts kit and you have to change the oil all the time, nevemind having the belt fly off on you.
Were not taking about a Honda here.
I don't know why people are always knocking sts kits or rear mount setups, everyone that has taken a ride in my car are totally amazed on how hard it pulls. It hits soft on the tires and drivetrain but makes monster power. Most of the people that say they suck don't know what they are talking about and haven't driven or rode in a car with one on it.
My car runs like stock until you mash the throttle and then all hell breaks loose.
There's nothing wrong with Procharger. As long as everything is aligned correctly the belt won't "fly off". And the oil doesn't have to be changed "all the time". I'm planning on changing mine every other oil change (~6K miles). I just purchased a used procharger setup, with a lot of custom stuff, good for 800+ rwhp, for a little over $4K. You can get a used D1SC setup for less than that, that will get you around ~550 rwhp.
If you really want turbo, go for it. I'm not bashing turbo at all, it's just not my thing. I forget where the thread is, but i just read it last night. There is at least one person/company looking into building some affordable front mount kits. You may want to wait awhile to see what develops in the next 6 months or so. Just my $.02.
If you really want turbo, go for it. I'm not bashing turbo at all, it's just not my thing. I forget where the thread is, but i just read it last night. There is at least one person/company looking into building some affordable front mount kits. You may want to wait awhile to see what develops in the next 6 months or so. Just my $.02.
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Jennifer:
Just curious why you would not consider Procharger D1 kit from EPP or other supplier? Can get good power, keep your AC and probably get installed in a weekend. Not a turbo but it is a reliable FI system.
Just curious why you would not consider Procharger D1 kit from EPP or other supplier? Can get good power, keep your AC and probably get installed in a weekend. Not a turbo but it is a reliable FI system.
+1 why do so many people want to bash? I agree you want to build a race car go front mount. BUT the OP was wandering about this for a STREET CAR. There is nothing wrong with an sts on a street car who gives a **** if its less efficient or less this or that, dont be mad that people are making great power with something that was alot easier to do than your front mount. /its a freaking street car!!!
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Regarding the Procharger remark, there are a lot of guys rolling around my area with Prochargers. I personally want turbo, I just never considered Procharger with everybody around here with them. A couple of guys in my club are procharged, and I have driven them, liked them, blah blah blah. Just my decision.
so , basically you want something different then what everybody has in your club ?
the reason why you see so many people with procharger kits, is because they are cheap power adder (compare to a proper front mount turbo system), easy to install, and lots of potential
it it cost's just a little more then the sts kit
the reason why you see so many people with procharger kits, is because they are cheap power adder (compare to a proper front mount turbo system), easy to install, and lots of potential
it it cost's just a little more then the sts kit