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Old Nov 19, 2010 | 01:41 PM
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sounds like you got bored with 900+ hp? I saw a 98 amc Pacer on Pinks, you should do something different.
Uhh... are you saying I should build a Pacer? Or just something completely different? I have considered going into a Body in White build. There arent really any 2000+ HP 2010 camaro's out running LS based platforms I know of?
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Old Nov 19, 2010 | 02:50 PM
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I'm liking the 5th. gen idea
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Old Nov 19, 2010 | 03:08 PM
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25.1 5th Gen would be SICK! Mini tubbed with some fatties underneath it.
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Old Nov 19, 2010 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1RedZ
25.1 5th Gen would be SICK! Mini tubbed with some fatties underneath it.
Mini tubbed? Going little bigger then that.
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Old Nov 20, 2010 | 07:16 PM
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Old Nov 20, 2010 | 08:09 PM
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your killing me, lol.


looking great bro.

you should take a picture directly down on top of the cylinder for us. at a perfect straight down angle. lol.

put a pack of smokes or something next to it as well. j/k

looking great though man
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Old Nov 20, 2010 | 10:44 PM
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Maybe stick a 1L soda bottle into a cyl for us? lol
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 02:40 AM
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how bout you just tell us since youve had your fun......
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how bout you just tell us since youve had your fun......
Hahaha... how about a hint.. It rhymes with RHS.
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Hahaha... how about a hint.. It rhymes with RHS.
oh snap
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Why did you guys choose use a standard crank vs one with center counter weights?
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 03:24 PM
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Why did you guys choose use a standard crank vs one with center counter weights?
Couple reasons, time, cost and bobweight.

Time, We have a billet crankshaft on order for another job with a company, from July, haven't seen anything on it yet. Another company I ordered billet crank in August, just came in.

Cost, its easy to blow out a build cost to the point it becomes inefficient for both parties. Getting on the track is goal.

Bobweight, if we had a heavy bobweight weight, heavy steel rods etc ie 2000grams, it would be difficult to balance this stroke with six counterweights. We're running aluminum rods, weight is fairly light at 1750ish grams, six counterweights gets the job done for balancing.

With Steel rods i'd be more concerned about the crankshaft.

4340 non twist forging vs. 4340 billet, long debate, full counterweighted billet crankshaft is certainly stiffer.

Later on I'd purpose an order for a billet crankshaft, once the car is running for future use.

hope this answers your question?

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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 07:46 PM
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The center counterweights have no effect on balancing, the additional mass just helps to even out bearing loads.

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Originally Posted by 427
The center counterweights have no effect on balancing, the additional mass just helps to even out bearing loads.
Going off what we've seen with BBC crankshafts which more common to have 8 full counterweights, needs less heavy metal on the ends.
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Center rod throws are opposed in both engines, not possible to affect the balance on the end.
I have ordered one billet that will be using a dist with the rear counterweight wider by .250, that should reduce heavy metal needs and is an option with the billet stuff. They do seem to be running a bit long on time for these cranks right now, but hopefully that will get better with time.

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Going off what we've seen with BBC crankshafts which more common to have 8 full counterweights, needs less heavy metal on the ends.
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 10:18 PM
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Maybe its just me but with a motor this serious and a 4.250" stroke...I'd do it once. You can probably get away with it on a 3.8 to 4" crank but on a 4.250" stroke crank, crank flex has got to be something your thinking about. Its a great looking build.
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
crank flex has got to be something your thinking about. Its a great looking build.
I'd be more concerned with crank flex if it was Nitrous, LSX block with Steel rods.

Aluminum block, aluminum rods, lot of give in the system.

Customer of mine just bent his shelf Compstar H beam rods with 2000hp, putting in aluminum rods.
Aluminum rods have a limited life span, will probably have a few overhauls in its life.

Have another customer, twin turbo LSX, everything built perfect, tore up thrust/thurst bearing within two passes, trans went back to builder.
Modified line pressure to the converter, been fine since. Would dislike that happening to a very expensive crankshaft. Get the car lapping first, re-evaluate everything at that point.

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Originally Posted by 427
Center rod throws are opposed in both engines, not possible to affect the balance on the end.
I have ordered one billet that will be using a dist with the rear counterweight wider by .250, that should reduce heavy metal needs and is an option with the billet stuff. They do seem to be running a bit long on time for these cranks right now, but hopefully that will get better with time.

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Kurt, so are you saying that the crank we are using should be a billet center counterweight crank? What is the difference in durability / power handeling?
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Originally Posted by longrange4u
Kurt, so are you saying that the crank we are using should be a billet center counterweight crank? What is the difference in durability / power handeling?
From the list of the top shelf items in the build, aluminum rods, tall deck, badass Mast heads, it sounds like your going to make a TON of power... Honestly, the motor sounds like a 2000hp+ combo. Anything over 1600-1700hp, with a 4.250 stroke, I'd be running a Billet CCW crank.
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