It would nice to know how Efficient the FI setups out there. For example, lets say 1psi on a procharger will give around 25rwhp and 1psi in a powerdyne will give 15whp. So the Procharger is more efficient.

We can determine how efficient FI kits based on ur feed back guys by taking an AVG if we had alot of feedback. We just need The FI guys to answer the question below.

Please answer the following questions if u have a FI setup:

1. SC Brand (Vortech, Procharger, QMP, even custom built are welcome to post, etc).
2. Type (Ex. D-1SC, P-1SC, T63, T74Q, etc).
3. Engine setup if any(cams, heads, pistons, stroker etc).
4. exhaust setup (true duals, Cutout, hooker catback, LM, etc).
5. A4/M6
6. Octane used.
7. Before and After dyno numbers are the most important and how much boost u are running.


NOTE: Example, If u have ran ur car with 6psi and then u changed the boost level to 8psi, those are two different results. Include them both please.


Results so far:

*Turbo Tech 60-1:
1. stock motor
At 8lbs of boost....12.1 rwhp per psi.
2. Stock motor
At 3lbs of boost.....30.6rwhp per psi.

AVG: 21.35rwhp per psi.

*Turbo Tech T76:
Built motor+heads and cam with 8.9C/R
At 10lbs of boost......19.2rwhp per psi.


*Turbo Tech T80:
347 motor 8.75C/R
At 11lbs of boost.....28.7rwhp per psi.
At 16lbs of boost.....28.4rwhp per psi.

AVG: 28.55rwhp per psi.


*P-1SC:
1. Stock motor
At 6lbs of boost.....22.6rwhp per psi.

2. 347CID Built
At 11lbs of boost .....20.1rwhp per psi.

AVG: 21.35rwhp per psi.


*D-1SC:
1. Stock motor 9.5 C/R
At 4lbs of boost.....30.7rwhp per psi.

2. Cammed motor with 9.1C/R
At 15lbs of boost......20.6rwhp per psi.

3. 372CID motor with 9.3-9.5C/R
At 4lbs of boost......20.75rwhp per psi.

4.stock motor
At 8lbs of boost.......20rwhp per psi.

5. stock motor
At 8lbs of boost.......20.75rwhp per psi.

AVG: 22.56rwhp per psi.


*Votrech:
*YS Trim:
1. 348CID 9.1 C/R.
At 17lbs of boost.....25rwhp per psi.

*G-Trim Aftercooled:
1. Heads/Cam
At 7.5lbs of boost.....18.6rwhp per psi.

2. Stock motor
At 8lbs of boost......16.5rwhp per psi.

AVG: 17.55rwhp per psi.

*QMP:

*T63:
1. Heads/Cam 9.5C/R
At 13lbs of boost.......21.6rwhp per psi.

*T76:
1. Stock Motor
At 10lbs of boost.... 38rwhp per psi.
At 14lbs of boost.... 32rwhp per psi.

2. Stock motor
At 7.5lbs of boost......20rwhp per psi.

AVG: 30psi per psi.


*CAS TT:
Cammed motor stock displacment
At 11lbs of boost.....19.2rwhp per psi.


*Incon:
*Stage 1
1. Stage 1 incon + Heads/Cam
At 4lbs of boost.....26.25rwhp per psi.

2. Stage 1 incon stock motor
At 4.3lbs of boost.....29.0rwhp per psi

3. Stage 1 incon stock motor
At 6.2lbs of boost.....21.9rwhp per psi.

4. Stage 1 incon stock motor
At 5lbs of boost.......29.4rwhp per psi.
At 6.5lbs of boost.....24.7rwhp per psi.

5. Stage 1 Incon stock motor
At 5lbs of boost......32rwhp per psi.

AVG: 27.2rwhp per psi.

*Stage 2 Incon:
1. Stock motor
At 6lbs of boost......31.5rwhp per psi.

2. Stage 2 Incon stock motor
At 10lbs of boost.....34rwhp per psi.

3. Stage 2 Incon stock motor
At 12lbs of boost.....22rwhp per psi.

4. Stage 2 Incon 360CID motor
At 10lbs of boost.....27rwhp per psi.

AVG: 28.6rwhp per psi.


*PowerDyne:
Cammed motor stock displacment
At 6lbs of boost......16.8rwhp per psi.


*Magnacharger:
*Non-Intercooled kit
Heads/Cam motor
At 5lbs of boost.......17rwhp per psi

*Intercooled Magna kit
1.Stock motor
At 7.5lbs of boost......12.4rwhp per psi.

2. Heads/Cam motor
At 7.5 of boost.......16.6rwhp per psi.

AVG: 14.5rwhp per psi.

*Custom turbo chargers:
Harlan's: ????

 

You will have to add octane, outside air temperature, automatic/manaul, etc, etc

Gary

 

Good idea. Im going to add it now, but the outside temp is corrected on the dyno.

 

I really don't understand WHY you would want to attempt such a thing by listing the information in your post. Each setup is likely to have a different efficiency at different boost levels, depending on the size/application it is intended for. And, when it all comes down to it... how important is efficiency??

I think you are just better off looking at the ABUNDANCE of dyno numbers out there on different kits and find the kit that suits you best. Each kit is designed with a specific operating range in mind. So, efficiency differences between them really end up meaning nothing. What matters is the bottom line.

 

I'd use:

10 - non-intercooled supercharger (that's what my powerdyne gained me)
15 - intercooled supercharger
20+ - intercooled turbo

That will get you in the ballpark usually.

-Geoff

 

how important is efficiency??

It is really important.... Thats why not alot of people are buying powerdyne because it cant make good power per psi. Also that why alot of people are going with Procharger over Vortech because its more efficient with the twin intercooler.


Im decided already on which FI i want. Im just waiting for the D-1SC 8 rib setup to be sold by the sponsers.
It would be intresting to compare all the kits out there. As i told u im going to take an AVG to come up with the numbers, not only one kit unless just one user post his results. Dont make it hard guys, just post the damn results lol.

 

I also have a ball bark figure on the setups, but i wanted to gather real world infomration and use it. Thanks anyways

 

This is from when i first installed my turbo kit.
Turbo tech 60-1 turbo kit.
Bone stock motor.
Bassoni cat back 3in pre muffler dual 2.75 after muffler.
Mustang Dyno.
Before dyno 269rwhp / 294rwtq.
After turbo install 8psi 366rwhp / 454rwtq.
Gained 97rwhp and 160rwtq.
That was on one of ed wrights first turbo ls1 tunes and his tune sucked to say the least the car was running so rich it would turn the bumper black idling for 15min.
Now with a good dyno tune 8psi 420hp 460tq. Dynojet numbers.

 

Im going to use the mustang dyno numbers since u didnt have a baseline run on a dynojet.

 

1. Brand (Vortech, Procharger, QMP, even custom built are welcome to post, etc). Vortech
2. Type (Ex. D-1SC, P-1SC, T63, T74Q, etc). YS Trim 1500 cfm
3. Engine setup if any(cams, heads, pistons, stroker etc). 348ci 9:1 blower motor, forged everything
4. exhaust setup (true duals, Cutout, hooker catback, LM, etc). 3" true duals with x pipe
5. A4/M6 A3
6. Octane used. VP C12 and some pump 93 (108 leaded motor octane)
7. Before and After dyno numbers are the most important and how much boost u are running. I'm guessing a stock A4/2.73 98 car would do about 290rhwp. I hit 746rwhp with the blower at 17psi with a non lockup converter.

 

I don't have all the info in front of me, but from memory.

Incon - stock motor ~= 30rwhp per psi
Incon - 8.7:1 heads and cam, 348 ~=40rwhp per psi

Custom T66's - 8.7:1, heads solid roller ~50+ RWHP per psi.

The Incons were pretty consistant on the stocker and the HC motor.

The new setup was pretty surprising, 10psi @6200 was 650 something and 12 psi @ 6200 was over 800 That's from memory, so i was conservative on my above approximation.

 

QMP Turbo, Stock Motor - 10lbs of boost @ 6100 = 696rwhp
QMP Turbo, Stock Motor - 14 PEAK lbs of boost @ 6100 = 767rwhp (most of the pull the boost was at 12-13lbs, and reached 14 just as I hit 6100)

Turbonetics T76 Q Trim, M6, Exhaust Cutout, 50/50 Turbo Blue (104octane) and C16 (118 octane), and about 2 -3 ounces of Methanol. It has also made over 700rwhp without Methanol, FWIW.

 

Im going to add gains from headers and true duals on ur 290rwhp stock dyno which will be around 320rwhp or so even with the low C/R 348. So 746-320= 426/17 = 25rwhp per psi.

 

Very nice setups u had there.... u could really be helpful in completing this list if u can u give us more detail on each of the following setup. I would like if u also have before and after dyno numbers. Im sorry im going to take more of ur time, but can u please answer the following questions:
1. Incon-on a stock motor... What did u put before and after and how much boost?
2. Incone with a 348 motor...... What did u put before and after and how much boost?
3. Custom T66's - 8.7:1, heads solid roller.... What did u put beofre and after and how much boost?
4. Ur custom setup.... How much did u put before and after and how much boost?

Thanks

 

P1SC, Stock motor, MAC headers, MAC catted Y-pipe w/gutted cats, stock SLP dual/dual 6PSI 461rwhp @ 6200rpm. 325rwhp with a lid and MAC headers with the mac cats, same exhaust. Same dyno, same tires, trans and rear. Here is the graphs..

As you can see the stock graph kinda took a dive (probably some detonation) so i would guess it would have dynod ~10rwhp higher if it didnt flatten out. I was putting heads/cam in the car so I didnt bother tuning it much with just the headers.

 

Off my mind, I know we have users of D-1SC's, CAS TT, and Turbo Tech T76 on this forum. I think BlackT/ALS1 have the D-1SC, Noyzee has the CAS TT and MightyMouse has the T76 and he used to have T-60. Come on guys post ur results. Anyone who have FI please post ur results. I will give it few days and after that im just going to search for them my self, but its going to take me alot of time. Its just easier to get the results from the users directly.

 

QMP's kit comes with a T-63, request can be made to receive it a T-76 instead. The kit Rob's testing with (from what I've read) is the same kit you buy from him with the T-76 upgrade( Sans the alchy equipment of course.)


-Rob-

 

I have a D-1SC, but haven't really gotten and positive test #'s out of it yet.....

With the stock motor with around 9.5:1 comp, 214/218 .540/.550 114lsa cam and TEA S2 73cc chambers, FLP headers, SLP dual-dual my car made 468rwhp and 5XXrwtq with 4psi, through the TH400 with non locking 3500 converter, through the 12-bolt on slicks........

This was after I blew at head gasket with 6psi and 10.6:1 comp......


I didn't dyno the car before motor only, but I'm sure it would be around 340-350rwhp....

 

That is good enough Bigbos.

 

Um nope. I am saying a stock 98 A4/2.73 will do 290rwhp stock. I never dynoed stock but I have dynoed a couple hundred cars from when I ran a regional car club.

I also have a 1500 cfm air/air intercooler made by Griffin. A3 trans will have a higher loss, let's say another 10% over any M6 car.