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Old 01-26-2011, 08:16 AM
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Default Tried to dyno 383/ST80 with 4200 stall

I put my car on the dyno last weekend and it didn't go as planned, it looks like the converter couldn't hold the torque. The green line is the boost 16.9lbs. No tire spin, the 60lb injectors where at 80% duty cycle at a boost referenced 74psi fuel pressure .
Old 01-26-2011, 08:18 AM
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Oh crap! Is that what blowing throught the converter looks like on a dyno? How does it feel on the street?
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How is that a indication the stall is wrong, or not working. New to this trying to learn.
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It only made 445/410 hp/tq, when I checked my datalogs there was over a 800rpm difference in rpm to wheel speed at 5800 rpm. I good indication is as the boost starts really climbing the graph has all those up and downs like wheel spin. Looking at my injector duty cycle it should be in the 700rwhp range.

It's supposed to be a 4000-4200 stall but this was before the 383 and ST80, it was spec'd for much less hp and tq.

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How is it on the street? It's hard to tell because of the cold roads but kind of like it has a rubber driveshaft is the best I can discribe it. What's interesting is the boost comes in really high in the rpm on the dyno but on the street it builds boost completely different, much earlier.
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Yep, blowing through the converter. Get a converter rated for the application. LOL Mine was rated at 550hp. It slipped at 670 and the ramps on the graph loked just like that. I am working on getting a new converter now...be ready to pay some $$$$ for a good converter.
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Originally Posted by Drewhelm
Yep, blowing through the converter. Get a converter rated for the application. LOL Mine was rated at 550hp. It slipped at 670 and the ramps on the graph loked just like that. I am working on getting a new converter now...be ready to pay some $$$$ for a good converter.
so your dynograph looked the same?
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Originally Posted by mike13
What's interesting is the boost comes in really high in the rpm on the dyno but on the street it builds boost completely different, much earlier.
Mines the exact same way, on the dyno it doesnt make power until up top, on the street its all smoke and two black marks at 2500rpm and 60mph, its really weird how that works.
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Originally Posted by Hank Peabody
Mines the exact same way, on the dyno it doesnt make power until up top, on the street its all smoke and two black marks at 2500rpm and 60mph, its really weird how that works.
Is your stall speed alot higher then it's supposed to be?
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No its about 3000 stall, its tight on the street, but flashes to around 4000 if you floor it from a cruise rpm.
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yeah a i tried to dyno on dynojet while using a super cheap summit converter..... I knew i was blowing through it badly on the street but the dyno really made the car/converter do some weird stuff

excited for the new PTC and actually put the power to the ground
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That is just what a Mustang dyno run looks like when you abort the run before the end of the test window. It is still recording as the engine decels hence the power readings jumping back and forth between 0 and whatever it was making on the way up. It doesn't show anything at all about your torque converter.
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Originally Posted by 05HD
That is just what a Mustang dyno run looks like when you abort the run before the end of the test window. It is still recording as the engine decels hence the power readings jumping back and forth between 0 and whatever it was making on the way up. It doesn't show anything at all about your torque converter.
Didn't abort the dyno run, we did 3 runs and they all looked the same way, first run they thought I might be spinning the tires, I datalogged all 3 runs and there was over a 800rpm difference between engine & tire rpm.
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Originally Posted by mike13
Didn't abort the dyno run, we did 3 runs and they all looked the same way, first run they thought I might be spinning the tires, I datalogged all 3 runs and there was over a 800rpm difference between engine & tire rpm.
Also if that where the case it would also show no boost instead of the boost climbing to 16lbs.
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Originally Posted by rotary1307cc
yeah a i tried to dyno on dynojet while using a super cheap summit converter..... I knew i was blowing through it badly on the street but the dyno really made the car/converter do some weird stuff

excited for the new PTC and actually put the power to the ground
What do you mean by weird?
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My car made a whopping 520 rwhp (previous best was 470rwhp) on a Mustang dyno and runs low 10's with a 3850 race weight. We also had to apply about 8000lbs of load to accurately simulate street conditions with spoolup.

I'm glad I learned long ago to never believe dyno HP numbers and to only use them as tuning tools. I've seen several 700+ rwhp dyno charts that produce 12 sec time slips in the low 120mph range.
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Originally Posted by Zombie
My car made a whopping 520 rwhp (previous best was 470rwhp) on a Mustang dyno and runs low 10's with a 3850 race weight. We also had to apply about 8000lbs of load to accurately simulate street conditions with spoolup.

I'm glad I learned long ago to never believe dyno HP numbers and to only use them as tuning tools. I've seen several 700+ rwhp dyno charts that produce 12 sec time slips in the low 120mph range.
That's funny, I pay more attention to my injector duty cycles to get me in the ballpark. The car made 445rwhp 800+rpm slippage and the duty cyle was 80% with 60lber's @74psi fuel pressure (boost referenced)
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Originally Posted by mike13
What do you mean by weird?
well a dynojet would be different than what you used. The rollers are 5k lbs+ and it made the car act *** backwards compared to the street

on the graph power would hit early but stay low and constant. The engine would just sit at one RPM while the tire speed would slowly pick up

and word to zombie, dyno #'s don't mean dick
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Mine was the opposite, the rpm climbed quick but the mph was slower, kind of like it had a rubberband driveshaft.
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Originally Posted by mike13
Mine was the opposite, the rpm climbed quick but the mph was slower, kind of like it had a rubberband driveshaft.
no the same,

my rpm would flash high and just sit there, and wheel speed came up slowly after

my power curve came quick from the flash but stayed low and flatish


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