Decided how to blow my money. Forged 347 w/ AFR heads, D1SC
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I get compliments on the cover more than anything else, best thing i ever did next to the turbo!
Westtexas did an awesome job. Not to take away from his work but its not that hard to do, need more of a steady hand and proper (painting) materials for it to come out nice. He cut the middle of the cover out and hot glued the mesh to the back. you could make a bird stencil pretty easily too.
AFR 225s are perfect by the way
Westtexas did an awesome job. Not to take away from his work but its not that hard to do, need more of a steady hand and proper (painting) materials for it to come out nice. He cut the middle of the cover out and hot glued the mesh to the back. you could make a bird stencil pretty easily too.
AFR 225s are perfect by the way
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Right, I see AFR's site only has the 230, but other retailers still have the 225's available. Would there be any actual low end loss (in the 225s vs 215s) under boost? I want a usable powerband, and don't plan to rev to the moon, maybe 6700 TOPS. That's what I rev to now on a stock motor.
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E85 would be awesome, but I don't think it's going to be on the list either. Like I said, I want the car to be as daily driver friendly as possible, in the event it needs to be. I've been to towns where there was not a single E85 pump...
How would 10.5:1 affect it's longevity and reliability? Most things I read say is 9.5:1 to 10:1 is ideal.
They're supplied fuel pump is supposed to be an addon so it Y's in with the current pump, making a double. Would that not be sufficient enough? If not, they have an option to add a 2nd pump, and running two of those would work good.
How would 10.5:1 affect it's longevity and reliability? Most things I read say is 9.5:1 to 10:1 is ideal.
They're supplied fuel pump is supposed to be an addon so it Y's in with the current pump, making a double. Would that not be sufficient enough? If not, they have an option to add a 2nd pump, and running two of those would work good.
But the higher starting (N/A) compression engine....the faster the turbo will spool down low....which is what I want. I also have the 390ci (AES).....so its got plenty of cubes to keep a big 88mm or 91mm turbo spooling in the mid-upper rpm ranges.....but I wanted very little to zero lag down low. So with my 390ci I'll have 10.3:1 - 10.5:1 compression and using full time E85. I shouldn't have lag down low and I plan to go 18psi to make a little over 1,000 RWHP.
No meth, just a FMIC or the small side intercoolers that go under the front corners of the front bumper. A FMIC with water misters mounted to the front would be good too. That would drop charge temps a lot right before and during a hard run......
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When running higher compression you have a smaller tuning window, cold plugs, E85 (or equivaltent), and a good tuner are needed. I'd build something in the 10.5:1 range and run E85.
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Thanks for the input, keep it coming guys! The more feedback the better...
Like I said, I don't believe E85 is going to be an option right now. I'm in the military, and around my base, they have a lot of E85, but my hometown has VERY FEW, and I can't get stuck without fuel. I WILL, however, have an E85 compatible fuel system so I will have the option in the future, should I decide.
With the D1SC, I won't have to worry about how compression will affect spool. So, for 93 pump gas SCR, around a 10.0:1 should be safe with some cold plugs and proper tune?
Like I said, I don't believe E85 is going to be an option right now. I'm in the military, and around my base, they have a lot of E85, but my hometown has VERY FEW, and I can't get stuck without fuel. I WILL, however, have an E85 compatible fuel system so I will have the option in the future, should I decide.
With the D1SC, I won't have to worry about how compression will affect spool. So, for 93 pump gas SCR, around a 10.0:1 should be safe with some cold plugs and proper tune?
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Thanks for the input, keep it coming guys! The more feedback the better...
Like I said, I don't believe E85 is going to be an option right now. I'm in the military, and around my base, they have a lot of E85, but my hometown has VERY FEW, and I can't get stuck without fuel. I WILL, however, have an E85 compatible fuel system so I will have the option in the future, should I decide.
With the D1SC, I won't have to worry about how compression will affect spool. So, for 93 pump gas SCR, around a 10.0:1 should be safe with some cold plugs and proper tune?
Like I said, I don't believe E85 is going to be an option right now. I'm in the military, and around my base, they have a lot of E85, but my hometown has VERY FEW, and I can't get stuck without fuel. I WILL, however, have an E85 compatible fuel system so I will have the option in the future, should I decide.
With the D1SC, I won't have to worry about how compression will affect spool. So, for 93 pump gas SCR, around a 10.0:1 should be safe with some cold plugs and proper tune?
Since you're not planning on running E85, I would shoot for a 9.5/1 compression ratio. 10.0/1 could be used, but I'd go with methanol injection and you may find you have to pull a little more timing out of the tune if you're running a lot of boost. If you're going to run a lot of boost or your future plans might go for a bigger blower and more boost, I'd go with the 225 or 230 heads over the 215's. Bob
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Since you're not planning on running E85, I would shoot for a 9.5/1 compression ratio. 10.0/1 could be used, but I'd go with methanol injection and you may find you have to pull a little more timing out of the tune if you're running a lot of boost. If you're going to run a lot of boost or your future plans might go for a bigger blower and more boost, I'd go with the 225 or 230 heads over the 215's. Bob
Sounds like a stock gasket thickness, 72cc head, and -3.2cc pistons will put me where I want to be. It's going to be tough deciding 215s or 225/230 heads.
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Thanks again Bob. I spoke with you on the phone last week, thanks for steering me in the right direction. I will be giving you a call when it's time to place the order!
Sounds like a stock gasket thickness, 72cc head, and -3.2cc pistons will put me where I want to be. It's going to be tough deciding 215s or 225/230 heads.
Sounds like a stock gasket thickness, 72cc head, and -3.2cc pistons will put me where I want to be. It's going to be tough deciding 215s or 225/230 heads.
Straight 93 do ~9.5:1 compression
93 + meth shoot for ~10.5:1 compression
E85 shoot for ~11.5:1 compression
In order to take full advantage of E85, you need the high compression.
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Thanks again Bob. I spoke with you on the phone last week, thanks for steering me in the right direction. I will be giving you a call when it's time to place the order!
Sounds like a stock gasket thickness, 72cc head, and -3.2cc pistons will put me where I want to be. It's going to be tough deciding 215s or 225/230 heads.
Sounds like a stock gasket thickness, 72cc head, and -3.2cc pistons will put me where I want to be. It's going to be tough deciding 215s or 225/230 heads.
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any updates on ur setup. I like your idea of keeping your car stock appearance and trying to make it stealthy. I've been looking for a setup for my car that will give me the best of both worlds. Street friendly and comfortable while being a beast when it wants to. Seems like you and I are thinking similarly. Another option to get high hp with stock appearance is going with the modular twin turbo kit.
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Nothing against the FMIC, but I just prefer not to cut open behind the license plate frame. I don't want to hack too much of my car up...
However, after I posted this, I remembered seeing a thread about someone custom making new license plate frames, that keep the front bird, and have a custom mesh behind it. It looks REALLY sharp, and I would like that, and it would make me more inclined to open up the bumper for a FMIC, but I would still hate cutting up the bumper. After seeing a picture of a car with that custom plate installed over a FMIC, I started to rethink my opinion on that. I will take some time thinking about that aspect.
Another question to add: I am running Pacesetter 1&3/4" longtubes into an x-pipe and dual SLP Loudmouth II mufflers... Will the longtubes be leaving any power on the table? Would I net any HP gain from stepping to 1&7/8" or even 2" headers?
However, after I posted this, I remembered seeing a thread about someone custom making new license plate frames, that keep the front bird, and have a custom mesh behind it. It looks REALLY sharp, and I would like that, and it would make me more inclined to open up the bumper for a FMIC, but I would still hate cutting up the bumper. After seeing a picture of a car with that custom plate installed over a FMIC, I started to rethink my opinion on that. I will take some time thinking about that aspect.
Another question to add: I am running Pacesetter 1&3/4" longtubes into an x-pipe and dual SLP Loudmouth II mufflers... Will the longtubes be leaving any power on the table? Would I net any HP gain from stepping to 1&7/8" or even 2" headers?
I ran an FMIC on my LT1 trans am, and only removed the fog lamps...cut nothing on the bumper and my IAT's were only 10 degrees above ambient
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any updates on ur setup. I like your idea of keeping your car stock appearance and trying to make it stealthy. I've been looking for a setup for my car that will give me the best of both worlds. Street friendly and comfortable while being a beast when it wants to. Seems like you and I are thinking similarly. Another option to get high hp with stock appearance is going with the modular twin turbo kit.
Still getting parts list together and planning things out. I won't start buying everything until Spring time. I definitely want it to look as stock "as possible". I like sleeper effect.
That's for damn sure. I'll always want to crank it up. I'd hate to kick myself in the *** for not getting the better head to begin with. I gotta buy a new clutch now too. I should have gotten the higher up clutch to begin with.
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