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Old 12-28-2012, 02:00 AM
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#1: 160psi
#2: 159psi
#3: 158psi
#4: 155psi
#5: 80psi
#6: 162psi
#7: 159psi
#8: 155psi
Old 12-28-2012, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SirNemesis
#1: 160psi
#2: 159psi
#3: 158psi
#4: 155psi
#5: 80psi
#6: 162psi
#7: 159psi
#8: 155psi
Leakdown will tell you where that pressure is going.
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It has to be going down, its the only thing that would explain the smoke and crankcase pressure. I've started work on the stripdown, should have the head off tomorrow morning.
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Pulled the head, can't see a problem.

Piston looks fine, gasket was sealed perfectly. No pitting, no marks, no scratches or cracks. Spark plug was also fine when I pulled it. Carbon matches all other pistons, cleaned off easily.

Haven't pulled the valves, but theres no marks on the head to indicate a problem. Will get the tools and pull them out tomorrow hopefully.
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Appears I was wrong...

Old 12-29-2012, 03:56 AM
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that sucks! hope its a cheap replacement for ya.
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Ohh, there isn't really many cheap options left for me at this point... It's going to be costly...
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wow. that is not quite what I was expecting

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Me neither...
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WAS this a stock production ls2 with stock sleeves?
sorry if I missed that detail.
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Yeah stock L76/LS2 block + 30thou oversize.
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Originally Posted by SirNemesis
Yeah stock L76/LS2 block + 30thou oversize.
do you think it may have spiked at some point? wish aluminum was a little more forgiving. Looks like you will have to pull it and have another machined. It wont be that bad if you can assemble it yourself. I think a block can be had for 300-500 and an honest machine shop can clean her up and hone it for 1000-1300 ish usually.
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Originally Posted by SirNemesis
Yeah stock L76/LS2 block + 30thou oversize.

Is 30thou safe on an LS2 ?

I know my current block is only 0.005" and will be doing likewise with my next one.

I want the liners as thick as possible.

If all other parts are good, all you need is another block, so the financial cost shouldnt be too bad.

Although I'd seriously consider keeping any pistons/block as close to a factory bore size as possible to retain strength.

Although that's pretty **** damage...at least you found the problem.
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Guys have done .030 over before, but it's probably pushing it with that kind of power. Most I've seen at that overebore were NA also. You could send it to ERL for a superdeck deal, but I'm sure shipping would kill you unless you just send the block.
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Originally Posted by I8UR4RD
do you think it may have spiked at some point? wish aluminum was a little more forgiving. Looks like you will have to pull it and have another machined. It wont be that bad if you can assemble it yourself. I think a block can be had for 300-500 and an honest machine shop can clean her up and hone it for 1000-1300 ish usually.
It must have spiked at some point, I just don't know when. I'm generally pretty safe with my tuning and really haven't been pushing it that hard.

I wish it was that easy, stuff is alot more expensive in Australia. I've priced up an LY6 block at $1500 AUD (AUD and USD are pretty well 1:1 at the moment), + $800-$1000 in machine work + new bearings and gaskets. Won't be a cheap process and I really don't have that kind of cash at the moment.

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Is 30thou safe on an LS2 ?

I know my current block is only 0.005" and will be doing likewise with my next one.

I want the liners as thick as possible.

If all other parts are good, all you need is another block, so the financial cost shouldnt be too bad.

Although I'd seriously consider keeping any pistons/block as close to a factory bore size as possible to retain strength.

Although that's pretty **** damage...at least you found the problem.
I was assured at the time that 30thou would be OK on an LS2 block, the liners are thicker from standard compared to an LS1. The problem is the block had about 10thou deep damage from a previous failure, so the option was go 30+ then or bin it. I got 25,000km's out of it and 2 years, so it wasn't all so bad I suppose. Borrowed time...

I knew it wasn't going to lasto forever, I always just wanted it to give me a sign before it detonated all over the road, so I could save the rotating assembly. Looks like I can salvage everything except the block, so thats pretty good I suppose.

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Guys have done .030 over before, but it's probably pushing it with that kind of power. Most I've seen at that overebore were NA also. You could send it to ERL for a superdeck deal, but I'm sure shipping would kill you unless you just send the block.
I looked into the ERL option as I'd much rather sleeve this block than replace it with an iron block, but unfortunately that process will cost me roughly $4000AUD by the time I get it back in Australia.
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If that's split right down to the base, I wouldnt be re-sleeving. I dont trust re-sleeved blocks at the best of times.

Of course the other option is iron
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The crack is only about 8mm deep down the bore that I can see, but I'll be going iron regardless. Sleeving it just too costly in Australia.
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It's not much fun in the UK either. Everything has to be sourced from the US and ends up costing a lot of money.

Still cheaper from the US than anywhere that has anything in the UK would sell for though. There is only a small selection of cars that use the LS platform here, and they are all Aus imports. At least you guys get plenty of LS based cars in Aus
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Yeah plenty of LS powered cars here, but 2:1 markup. Generally its significantly cheaper to buy from the US including postage than it is to buy locally. The sad part is, you also generally get a response faster from the US AND the product arrives faster than buying locally...
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Well.. this was a complete flop.. not what i would of imagined.. i was thinking of blown rings. especially from cylinder #5 giving such low pressure. sorry to hear about this bud. wish you the best of luck and keep us posted!


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