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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 02:45 PM
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First off. Stock 4.8 with 243s and 04z06 cam. Ls1 intake, truck manis with 2" crossover turbo kit. Tial 44mm wastegate.

With my eBay gt45 (68.x mm comp/77mm turbine) 1.05ar ex housing. With 10 psi spring we would see 13psi.

Last night we swapped it over to a precision 76gts with .81 exhaust housing. It measures 76mm comp/75mm turbine.

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With the 10psi spring we are completely uncontrollable. Letting out around 6k and 20-22 psi. Boost still climbing rapidly. So...put a 5psi spring in the gate. Car makes 5psi pretty quickly and holds for a second then starts creeping to about 22-23 psi by 7000.

Is the exhaust housing causing this? I really need a quick fix we are trying to race Saturday. We tried an air filter on the turbo and it didn't do anything for us. I would try no spring but the car is so sluggish that even if it worked it would be slow. Any suggestions or ideas. I'm pretty sure I have seen this exact turbo used without issues.

60mm single gate? Create an exhaust leak? I do not have enough time to do anything major so hopefully someone has an idea.
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 03:17 PM
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Pic of wastegate location?
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 03:24 PM
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Yes of course. Don't think it could be better. Think it could be larger but the placement is ideal.

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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 03:33 PM
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That placement is not the greatest. Put it on the backside side of the merge and it will control fine.
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 03:48 PM
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Car is a 240sx. No room on the other side. The placement is as good as it can be. I think my issues are exhaust housing related. I am going to try to restrict the inlet of the turbo down to 3" and see what it does.
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 03:54 PM
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need a bigger exhaust housing.
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 04:19 PM
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Will the .96 housing really make that big of a difference?
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 05:12 PM
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cut the housing open and weld the gate on the housing
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Lol. Can't do that. I was borrowing this for this weekend.
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jesus who does your fab that **** is so nice im not allowed to be in the same room as that hot side lol
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A friend here locally. He will appreciate the kind words. I might have to notch the frame rail and add a gate to the other side of the merge.
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 06:58 PM
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No ****! Those welds look sick! For what it's worth. My precisions and my current ON3's do the same thing. I have my wastegates in a perfect position and I hit 5lbs for a second or so and then "BAM" it hits 20-25lbs like it's nothing. Unlike you, my dumbass can't let off the throttle. Too much damn fun. lol I am shocked I haven't blown my **** up yet.

Out of curiosity where do you have your rev limiter set to and what do you try and shift at?
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Just for kicks to make sure it is not a faulty wastegate, pull the spring completely out and see if it makes boost. If it still does, either a serious flow issue or faulty wastegate.
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Old Dec 13, 2012 | 08:39 AM
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I have no doubt the wastegate works. Changing springs completely changed how it came on boost and the boost level. I need to know if a different turbo with larger housing will fix my issue or if fab work is a must. I wanted to go with a 7675cea but due to this issue I am definately leaning towards the bw turbos and even considering the new turbonetics 7675 or 7875. I just need input on if the exhaust housing will or won't fix the issue.
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Wicked69 I have my limiter set at 7500 and on the old set up I shifted at 7000. On this I was planning to see how it did for power up there and decide where to shift but I'll just have to feel it out.
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Originally Posted by oneoverwrx
Wicked69 I have my limiter set at 7500 and on the old set up I shifted at 7000. On this I was planning to see how it did for power up there and decide where to shift but I'll just have to feel it out.
Damn and that is stock? Wow. I can't get the nerve to set my higher than 6800 but feel as if I don't I don't get near enough " pull" from the turbo's before it's time to shift. Very cool car and thanks for the info. I was curious.
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Originally Posted by oneoverwrx
I have no doubt the wastegate works. Changing springs completely changed how it came on boost and the boost level. I need to know if a different turbo with larger housing will fix my issue or if fab work is a must. I wanted to go with a 7675cea but due to this issue I am definately leaning towards the bw turbos and even considering the new turbonetics 7675 or 7875. I just need input on if the exhaust housing will or won't fix the issue.
Relieving the hotside is what controls boost. I honestly do not think it's a exhaust housing problem or any other problem with turbo. The reason I am saying this, on my old SS with the JGS gate I was using would creep like crazy. I tried everything, ended up being the location I installed it at the merge was angle opposite of flow. Gotta make sure you can let the exhaust escape especially at higher rpms, ie higher rpms + more power = crap load of exhaust volumn. just my .02
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Old Dec 13, 2012 | 09:26 AM
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I would probably agree if it didn't work great already on a turbo with a larger exhaust housing.
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Originally Posted by oneoverwrx
I would probably agree if it didn't work great already on a turbo with a larger exhaust housing.
Ive had the 76gts control boost fine on a 404 cubic inch motor...your problem is wastegate placement or the wastegate itself. While running a turbo with larger exhaust side may allow it to be sufficient enough to maintain boost, the wastegate priority isnt the greatest.
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Originally Posted by black98ws6ta
Ive had the 76gts control boost fine on a 404 cubic inch motor...your problem is wastegate placement or the wastegate itself. While running a turbo with larger exhaust side may allow it to be sufficient enough to maintain boost, the wastegate priority isnt the greatest.
Bingo. That was my next response.

OP, I do however like your setup, looks awesome man. Good luck bud
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