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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 06:05 AM
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well like i said.. this will never see the track. it wont be beat on. just want the huge hp for the cool factor. can you even drive 1000hp on the street without almost loosing it at every turn? gotta be like driving on ice.
Not with a turbo setup. Mightymouse has driven his car to the store and all over town, then go to the track and bust some 8 sec passes.
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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 07:41 AM
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ive read nothing but good things from aes. but have yet to get ahold of them. i will try later on today i think
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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 87silverbullet
Not with a turbo setup. Mightymouse has driven his car to the store and all over town, then go to the track and bust some 8 sec passes.
I drove it to work a few times also


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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 08:25 AM
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haha.. very nice. now a little different topic. which turbos? and which size? i know i may catch some crap for this but i am looking into nelson racing mirror image turbos. they are pretty expensive. but they gave me a quote of 3800$ for a pair of 72mm turbos. too small for my power needs?
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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 08:37 AM
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I was where you are at. Ended up with an AES398. And i'm 99% sold on some Turbonetics Mid Frame 66mm units. Should get me to 1100rwhp.
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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 09:13 AM
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I plan on doing the AES 390 this spring. I spoke with them a few times and the customer service is great!
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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bikerman9967
haha.. very nice. now a little different topic. which turbos? and which size? i know i may catch some crap for this but i am looking into nelson racing mirror image turbos. they are pretty expensive. but they gave me a quote of 3800$ for a pair of 72mm turbos. too small for my power needs?
All depends on which engine you choose. Since it will be more street use I would be more inclined to use a smaller exhaust housing. That will make it spool really quickly from stoplight to stoplight and be very responsive.
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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 02:18 PM
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Junk....

For less money you can fill a lsx block with a dragonslayer crank, ultra I beams, your choice of piston and choose what you want the CID to be. That 376 is no deal.




...ok, well I just had an 11,000 dollar 418 built for a friend...thats my cost..., should be a 1100rwhp motor,..thats a decent price..... the LSX one GM offers,..has a RATING of 450hp only(generic)...the COPO camaro that goes 8's,...runs a what kind of motor? Yup. Same ****...it's RATED @ 550hp with a 4.0 whipple...... so, do you really think its making 550?...do you really think GM is gonna build a BOOST motor that ONLY handles 15psi?

lol. Whats PSI again? People are making over 1200hp on FACTORY ENGINES,..do you not think this motor could handle MUCH more?

9,600.00 is retail...I don't pay retail. I am simply giving an option. I wouldn't call factory forged rotating assembly in a 2500 factory rated block(from an automobile manufacture -ah, hello) junk. 10 bucks says you ain't gonna blow this motor up.

Again,...simply an option. The best? nah.
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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by I8UR4RD
one guy barely bent a h beam rod at 1900rwhp and that was after several other runs, and a spark plug issue, as well as a block that was supposedly prepped from another place. its all he said she said though. cant really buy into it.....all i know is there are others running 1000+ rwhp with the motor and its still ticking....i mean stangkillr was running 900-1000rwhp on his stock lq9 so imagine what one built from a sponsor will put up with. 800rwhp is a tickle to that thing with a good tune.
I'm pretty sure your talking about Andreas?

Another guy got a C-Series (Cast) Crank in his 408 instead of the DragonSlayer, may have just been a mix up though.
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Originally Posted by V-seriesTech
...ok, well I just had an 11,000 dollar 418 built for a friend...thats my cost..., should be a 1100rwhp motor,..thats a decent price..... the LSX one GM offers,..has a RATING of 450hp only(generic)...the COPO camaro that goes 8's,...runs a what kind of motor? Yup. Same ****...it's RATED @ 550hp with a 4.0 whipple...... so, do you really think its making 550?...do you really think GM is gonna build a BOOST motor that ONLY handles 15psi?

lol. Whats PSI again? People are making over 1200hp on FACTORY ENGINES,..do you not think this motor could handle MUCH more?

9,600.00 is retail...I don't pay retail. I am simply giving an option. I wouldn't call factory forged rotating assembly in a 2500 factory rated block(from an automobile manufacture -ah, hello) junk. 10 bucks says you ain't gonna blow this motor up.

Again,...simply an option. The best? nah.
I agree, I was kind of confused on the psi rating, 15lbs coming from what power adder?
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Yup. It's just a generic #...a round about "base"
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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TheLS1Lover
I'm pretty sure your talking about Andreas?

Another guy got a C-Series (Cast) Crank in his 408 instead of the DragonSlayer, may have just been a mix up though.
I checked the summits website and a few threads, I dont think callies makes a cast crank. They were all 4340 forged.
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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 06:24 PM
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I'm shocked no one said HKE !!! Eriks motor has been in my turbo car for 3 years not a single problem. Hke has a lot of very fast engines out their. He dosent post on tech as much as some others but don't for get about him. If I need a badder engine one day eriks my 1st choice
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Originally Posted by bad6as
I'm shocked no one said HKE !!! Eriks motor has been in my turbo car for 3 years not a single problem. Hke has a lot of very fast engines out their. He dosent post on tech as much as some others but don't for get about him. If I need a badder engine one day eriks my 1st choice
Currently isn't accepting orders. Said he was very behind.
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It is still grossly overpriced based on the fact it is loaded with generic parts.

For under 6k you can purchase a lsx block, dragonslayer crank, ultra I beam or Oliver rods, and wiseco/diamond pistons.... Even coated bearings.. $1000 in machine work and you have a stronger engine for less money. How do I know this for sure? I have done it.

Oh, not to mention you can pick the displacement!

I stand by my initial comment, it's overpriced generic junk for someone that truly does not know any better or just likes to burn money. Personally, I prefer the mst for my dollar.




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...ok, well I just had an 11,000 dollar 418 built for a friend...thats my cost..., should be a 1100rwhp motor,..thats a decent price..... the LSX one GM offers,..has a RATING of 450hp only(generic)...the COPO camaro that goes 8's,...runs a what kind of motor? Yup. Same ****...it's RATED @ 550hp with a 4.0 whipple...... so, do you really think its making 550?...do you really think GM is gonna build a BOOST motor that ONLY handles 15psi?

lol. Whats PSI again? People are making over 1200hp on FACTORY ENGINES,..do you not think this motor could handle MUCH more?

9,600.00 is retail...I don't pay retail. I am simply giving an option. I wouldn't call factory forged rotating assembly in a 2500 factory rated block(from an automobile manufacture -ah, hello) junk. 10 bucks says you ain't gonna blow this motor up.

Again,...simply an option. The best? nah.
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Old Dec 20, 2012 | 11:23 AM
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im not one to bash someones opinion. but for 9-10k i can have probably the best boost ready block you can buy.(while using an lsx block) and could probably handle 2000hp. not that i want to do that but im just not going to throw something in a show car that isnt top notch, or close to it. for 6-8k i can have what im looking for.
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Originally Posted by bikerman9967
im not one to bash someones opinion. but for 9-10k i can have probably the best boost ready block you can buy.(while using an lsx block) and could probably handle 2000hp. not that i want to do that but im just not going to throw something in a show car that isnt top notch, or close to it. for 6-8k i can have what im looking for.
Exactly what Im getting at, I just have a more abrasive way of wording things unfortunatly.
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Originally Posted by I8UR4RD
I checked the summits website and a few threads, I dont think callies makes a cast crank. They were all 4340 forged.
Not anymore, I believe they stopped producing it.
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Old Dec 20, 2012 | 11:39 AM
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is the dragonslayer the best bang for your buck or is there an upgrade?
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Originally Posted by breecher_7
It is still grossly overpriced based on the fact it is loaded with generic parts.

For under 6k you can purchase a lsx block, dragonslayer crank, ultra I beam or Oliver rods, and wiseco/diamond pistons.... Even coated bearings.. $1000 in machine work and you have a stronger engine for less money. How do I know this for sure? I have done it.

Oh, not to mention you can pick the displacement!

I stand by my initial comment, it's overpriced generic junk for someone that truly does not know any better or just likes to burn money. Personally, I prefer the mst for my dollar.

Like I stated...it's an option, holmes. Nobody is putting a gun to your head SPORT...nobody said it was the best.



Originally Posted by bikerman9967
im not one to bash someones opinion. but for 9-10k i can have probably the best boost ready block you can buy.(while using an lsx block) and could probably handle 2000hp. not that i want to do that but im just not going to throw something in a show car that isnt top notch, or close to it. for 6-8k i can have what im looking for.
I disagree...yes, you can buy good motors for that but, NOT ANYWHERE NEAR CLOSE TO THE "BEST"....


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Exactly what Im getting at, I just have a more abrasive way of wording things unfortunatly.
Your words are cute and cuddly. Kinda like if FROTO himself was talking to me.
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