Reaperchild

98-02 Whipple - 1000M / 1000M-LP 3.3L-SUPERCHARGER-Claimed Min 460 - HP 800+
Dont get too exited reading below because the info may be couple of years old.

This is the NON-SPONSER FAQ: about the above Whipple Kit

New systems are on the horizon...the 1000M is now custom order only and has been replaced by the 1000M-R but the -R system is a full 2" taller so beware the hood clearance! The 1000R.2 is in development for those corvette owners that still want to keep their stock hood with the 1000 performance. For those wanting the big blower for their built engine the 1000M-R is perfect and will soon be offered with the 4.0 blower option as well!

With almost 2 years in development we're confident we've created the most powerful supercharger system available to bolt on your corvette. PSI to PSI no other supercharger system can match this system and it makes more power under the curve than even a comparable turbo system. The other added benefits:

- No hood change

- Upgradeability - We've provided you with enough supercharger and the aftermarket components to push this system to 800+RWTQ should you find the need.

- Custom Looks - We offer this system custom painted to match your vehicle or in several contrasting colors and some really vibrant House of Kolor Kandy colors for some real show stopping looks.

- More fun to drive & better performance - There's nothing like a screw blower for instantaneous mind blowing torque as well as addictive high RPM power

- Incredible reliability - the Whipple blower is a proven piece of technology with over 30 years of Whipple R&D behind it. This blower could outlast your vehicle and only requires infrequent oil changes and maintenance. Warranty is 1 year/12000 miles on the supercharger and 3 years/30000 miles on the system

- Cost - Cheaper than a smaller blower and a hood change. Prices are TBD but are expected to be around $6500. Complete Prices will be posted at www.dragonrace.com check back often for updates

- Straightforward installation - Installation should take 20 hours or less and is quite straightforward. The only difficult part of the installation is the pinning of the crankshaft. Tuning is included via mail directly through Dragon.

- Power output is higher than any other base kit supercharger. The base 5 psi kit (sea level 5 psi) will provide you with over 470rwtq and similar HP minimum but you're more likely to see over 500 as we use a Mustang Dyno here which reads significantly lower than some of the other brands out there.
What is the status of the 1000M currently and what is the 1000M-LP vs the 1000M-R and the 1000R.2?

Since the introduction of the 1000M, the market has become flooded with other underhood options that quite honestly we can touch for the price. We recommend those systems for stock or near stock engines with production parts bottom ends nowadays. The 1000M (renamed 1000M-LP for low profile) can still be special ordered for your LS application but the heat exchanger and intercooling capacity of the low profile manifold make it less than ideal for big HP built engines. To address the market need for a larger race system we developed the 1000M-R system based in part off of whipple's new system available for the LS3 Camaro vehicles. Of course the 1000M-R definitely doesnt fit stock hoods and requires a pretty significant hood bulge to accomodate. The 1000M-R is also special order and will soon be available in 4.0L version for the hardest of hardcore (the market segment for this tall blower). To address the demand for the big blower under the stock hood we're nearing the end of the development on the 1000R.2 system that again locates the supercharger on the side of the motor in the Corvette engine compartments. With a drastically re-designed belt system and better heat insulation, this system will provide all the same performance while going under the stock hood and competing with the other budget friendly systems available out there. Expected Price point for the 1000R.2 should be around $6k complete and should be available for shipping near the fall of 2012.

How long is the installation and what is involved?
1000M Installation is Approximately 14 hours for a single individual with mechanical experience, service lift, and some specialty tools. For inexperienced mechanics plan on double this amount of time or 14 hours for two people.

The most difficult part of the installation is the pinning of the crankshaft. The LSx engines (LS1-LS7) have press fit harmonic balancers. With the additional load placed on the belt by the supercharger the balancer on the crankshaft can potentially rotate on the crankshaft which can cause damage to the engine and/or drive belt system as well as decreased performance. To eliminate this issue a hardened steel pin is inserted between the crankshaft snout and balancer hub by drilling a hole and inserting the pin behind the balancer bolt. The torque required to remove/install the crank balancer bolt as well as steering rack interference make this a difficult job. The engine support K-Member must be moved to move the steering far enough to gain access for this procedure.

The rest of the installation is fairly straightforward and requires only attention to detail and some care to do the steps in order.

One of our dealers will typically charge 14 hours or less for the installation of this system.

Reaperchild

How soon can I get one?

Currently custom order only with 7-8 week lead times*

*Backorders and parts shortages can increase the time.



The base Kit isn't intercooled but the supercharger has the intercooler, why?

We've tested the 1000M endlessly and the screw blower is efficient enough that intercooling isn't required at 5psi. In the interest of offering the absolute best bang for the buck we dropped the intercooler components from the base kit to lower the price. Intercooling certainly affects the amount of boost and timing you can run on a given compression ratio but unlike a turbo or centrifugal supercharger does not affect the power output from the supercharger if timing is maintained between the non-intercooled and intercooled versions. Because we know this industry intimately, we know that most of you out there are going to want to upgrade at some point so we went ahead and included the intercooler core in all assemblies. With the core already in the supercharger all you have to do is hook up the heat exchanger, pumps, and lines and go. For extremely hot climates we still recommend the upgraded intercooled kit (air temps consistently over 95deg F)



What is a screw blower? What is the difference between the screw blower and an Eaton or Roots blower?

Developed and marketed by Lysholm[ii] of Sweden the Screw blower utilizes a male and female rotor to move the air down the supercharger. This design is far more efficient than the traditional lobed roots design. Lysholm manufactures the superchargers for their licensed wholesalers. In the US those companies are Kenne Bell (use the smaller billet case versions) and Whipple (now currently manufacturing the larger cast case versions). The superchargers are sometimes also referred to as Opcon Autorotor – the parent company of Lysholm.

This supercharger is the Whipple 200ax Screw Blower which generates 200CID of air per revolution vs the 112 of the Magnuson[iii] or 125 of the newer Magnuson. The technology is also based on the screw charger instead of a high helix three lobe roots blower like the Eaton[iv] (the new 4 lobe rotor is used on the 2009 ZR1). The screw blower is the most efficient positive displacement design supercharger available. It offers instantaneous boo as well as sustained gains over the rpm band. By using a much larger charger we've not only provided for upgrades lat but also for cooler charge temperatures in the base kits.

How does this compare to the Kenne Bell, Callaway TM, or Magnacharger Systems?
Kenne Bell Systems utilize the exact same screw blower technology in a cosmetically different case. There's some hype that the supercharger case associated with these units contribute to performance but the cast Whipple case performs exactly the same. The main difference is that these units are 2.2 and 2.8Liters per revolution vs the 3.3L of our Whipple supercharger. The advantage of the larger supercharger is that it has a bigger power ceiling and runs very cool and efficient in base form. We get almost 30% more belt engagement on our larger pulley vs the smaller pulley required on the smaller 2.8 blower moving the same amount of air. The Kenne Bell system is manifold mounted and requires a hood change. Other than these differences the exact same power curve can be expected from our system or the Kenne Bell System given that the air-flow through the blower is the same. Both systems are much more efficient than the Eaton Based systems employed mainly by Magnuson.

The Magnacharger systems utilize a much smaller dual lobe roots style blower mounted to the manifold. The Eaton design is a 3 lobe high helix design that is vastly more efficient than the old 2 lobe straight rotors associated with the traditional 6-71, 8-71, etc roots blowers. However, this design is still not as efficient as the screw style supercharger and as of yet is not offered in a version larger than 125 CID/revolution and most commonly found in the 112 CID/revolution size associated with the base Magnacharger kit for the C5 and C6 corvettes. Performance is similar to our system when the supercharger is turned faster to allow for identical airflow to our system but the inefficiency of the blower at those increased RPM’s begins to degrade performace at the top end of the RPM band. Additionally these superchargers lack the potential of the 200CID Whipple purely due to the rpm/efficiency limits of the supercharger.

The Callaway systems utilize the Eaton technology blowers with the larger 2.0 liter displacement and their new 4 lobe rotor design which is factory standard on the new ZR1 corvette and LS9 engine. While vastly more efficient than the 3 rotor design before it, this high helix roots blower is still not as efficient as the screw supercharger. Additionally the displacement on the new TVM style superchargers is still significantly smaller than the larger, more efficient, Whipple supercharger. The Callaway or TVM superchargers also necessitate a hood change like the Magnacharger Systems.

The Techco offering is relatively new to the market and utilizes a design very similar to our 1st generation 1000M supercharger system. The Techco offers their supercharger system in a 3.0L displacement and utilize the same screw blower technology as the Whipple. Obviously this system offers the most comparable performance to our 1000M as it utilizes the same technology and only a slightly smaller supercharger (3.0 vs 3.3). Unlike the 1000M system this supercharger is driven off of the other the "3" rotor vs the "2" rotor and driven backwards. The result of this is that the system must use smaller pulleys to generate the same boost as the 1000M and an 8 rib drive is standard as a result. The Techco supercharger also inverts the supercharger inside the manifold assembly as our Gen 1 system did. While the Techco can offer similar performace it can require notching the cowl of the corvette and will not fit the C5 corvette's stock hood or other stock GM platforms...hence the reason we went away from this design a year ago. Added to the higher price of the Techco unit, we feel that the 1000M offers superior performance at a superior price point.

The largest noticeable advantage however is, that our system requires NO hood change.

Reaperchild

How does this compare to a Procharger[v] or Vortech[vi] System?
Procharger and Vortech utilize what is known as a centrifugal supercharger. A centrifugal style supercharger is similar to a turbo with the exception that it is belt driven. A centrifugal supercharger is, for automotive purposes, considered a variable airflow and variable pressure device. In reality this blower design is a variable flow static pressure device because it has a pressure ceiling. However, most automotive applications never see this pressure ceiling on the blower. This design is different from the positive displacement nature of the screw or roots blowers. These blowers are constant airflow/variable air pressure devices meaning they can supply huge pressure numbers but only move x amount of air per revolution. Without going into a massively in depth engineering explanation of how air is compressed in the various designs we can simply state that a centrifugal builds airflow/boost as rpm increases while a positive displacement supercharger gives instantaneous airflow/boost that is maintained across the RPM band. A positive displacement blower behaves very similarly in performance to a larger cubic inch version of the boosted engine.
From a performance standpoint instantaneous airflow translates to much increased torque at lower rpms and what is referred to as “more power under the curve” which is a reference to the fact that the area underneath the dyno torque curve is larger than that of a centrifugal with approximately the same final boost number. More power under the curve necessarily translates into quicker acceleration and increased performance and has the added benefit of a more tolerant power band. This is not to say that a positive displacement supercharger is superior in all applications to a centrifugal. There are many applications in which a centrifugal is superior.
I am commonly asked about the 1000HP package with our supercharger and I constantly attempt to steer those customers toward our preferred centrifugal supercharger, the Procharger. The fact is that there are other drivetrain limitations that make having instantaneous torque at these power levels more detrimental than its worth. The Corvette’s chassis and driveline is very strong but it was not engineered for that much torque production and more importantly the instantaneous torque output change of 600-800 when the throttle is depressed on the 1000M maxed out. Even if the driveline is built to endure the power this can create a very difficult car to launch at the dragstrip (the only application where this much power would be applicable). The torque output is simply too much for even a race slick stuffed into a corvette and the chassis will not transfer the weight sufficiently to use all that torque. In this instance a car employing a large Procharger is actually significantly quicker in the quarter mile as its huge power numbers come in higher in the rpm band and come on progressively allowing the tires, chassis, driveline to deal with the progressive change more easily. A 427 Z06 with pistons and a 3.0 pulley will put down nearly 700 RWHP and 740ish RWTQ with the 1000M and will run mid 10’s at our altitude or high 9’s at sea level. This translates to approximately 9psi. A similarly equipped 427 with a Procharger F1A will run mid 10’s and 3 MPH faster at this altitude with a peak boost of 10.5 PSI and mid 9’s at sea level. Both cars were in the 1.5 60’ range at 5800ft. Now put the 1000M car to 14 psi ~800RHP and the Procharger at 15PSI ~800RWHP. The 1000M car will still only run mid to low 10’s while the Procharger car will easily attain 9’s at 5800ft. This is because launching this much torque is an impossibility for anything but a built drag car with huge slicks. The Procharger provides a much more useful power curve at that point even though the 1000M is generating significantly more “power under the curve”. For cars that see race and street duty above 800hp I would still recommend the Procharger system. For cars staying under 800hp or full race vehicles the most performance will come from the 1000M.
How does this compare to Dragon's Turbo Systems?
A turbo system is very similar to a centrifugal supercharger system with the added benefit of being more efficient and more tolerant of inlet air density changes. Because a turbocharger is a pressure relative device it will always attain its boost spring pressure or boost controller pressure in the manifold regardless of relative baro, heat, etc. This means that the turbo car is less affected by altitude changes, good weather/bad weather days, etc. A turbocharged car also generates more power to the tires by robbing less power from the engine to do the work of generating boost. A supercharger eats power off the crankshaft in significantly larger amounts than a turbocharger does off of the exhaust.
While a turbocharger is and will likely always be superior to superchargers in terms of pure power output it does have some limitations. Turbo lag is a misnomer these days caused by the sensation as the turbochargers reach their peak efficiency range. The acceleration in the turbo’s peak efficiency range is nothing short of staggering and very repeatable but outside this range the car is significantly less powerful and responsive. This has come to be known as turbo lag but the fact is that a well built turbo system rarely has less power at any rpm band than a similar centrifugal. A turbo will have significantly less low end torque than a positive displacement supercharger. A turbocharger cannot generate boost until the exaust pressure has gotten high enough to drive the compressor fast enough. This means from a standstill a positive displacement supercharger is far superior in power output. Although a turbo will generate the highest torque or power numbers of any of the power adders it has the least linear and narrowest power band. From a driver’s standpoint a turbocharger is a great rush but from a track performance standpoint, the turbocharged car is tremendously difficult to extract maximum times from especially for manual transmission vehicles that cannot apply a load to generate boost off the line and release boost at shift if the throttle is released during shift.
Where does the supercharger get its inlet air and are there any downsides to getting the air inlet from there?

The air is drawn off the existing factory air box or any common aftermarket ram air system that the car may be equipped with. The better the ram air the better the performance out of the supercharger so go ahead and feed the throttle body with as much air as you can get to it!

How much faster can I expect my car to be with this kit?

A stock C6 runs between 13.5 and 13.3 at 5800 ft with a practiced driver (14sec or slower without practice). With tires a 1000M base kit equipped C6 is capable of high 11 second time slips at 5800ft and 10 second timeslips at sea level (practiced driver). Stock MPH is 105 here at 5800ft. Supercharged MPH is 120-122 MPH at 5800 ft. Similar relative gains can be expected at Sea level. TIMES ARE NOT GAURANTEED as times are dependent upon safety equipment, setup, driver, weather, tires, etc….these times should only be guidelines for what to expect.

Does this kit include everything I need?

The base kit includes everything needed to go from naturally aspirated to completed and supercharged. Injectors, tuning, Boost-A-Pump, etc are all included with the kit such that the kit becomes a bolt on style system. A “Tuner” system does not include fuel system components (injectors, Boost-A-Pump, etc) or tuning. All systems can be ordered as “Tuner” systems and any race systems or 8 rib drive systems are all considered “Tuner” systems currently. Intercooling is offered as an option but all systems come with the heat exchanger built into the supercharger unit.

Can it be accomplished by weekend mechanics or does this require a professional shop?

We recommend that you use one of our certified installers to ensure that the installation is done correctly but it can be accomplished without professional help. Generally the guideline is do double the amount of man hours required to finish it, meaning for two weekend mechanics it should take approximately 14 hours to complete vs the 14 hours for a single professional mechanic with professional tools and a lift.

What other applications do you have besides the Corvette?

We currently have systems for all Ls1, Ls2, Ls6, Ls3, Ls7, and LSx platforms as well as all LSx based trucks. This includes the New Camaro

Also planned in the next 3 months:

ZR1 upgrade - A direct swap for the GM unit utilizing the stock ZR1/LS9 Belt Drive system

Dodge Charger/Challenger – 6.1 HEMI

Viper SRT-10 and Viper 97-02

I have a C6 Z06 can I buy the system without the pistons?

Yes you can we currently sell this race only “Tuner” setup. Engine reliability is purely up to the consumer in this application as the factory pistons are notoriously incompatible with boost. Please consider carefully before ordering a “Tuner” system for your Z06. When ordering subtract $500 from the base C6 kit and add the optional 8-Rib cost back in.


NOW THAT SHOULD BE USEFUL INFO READ !! Thought others may wat to know also.

ramairroughneck

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Woah that's a lot of info for a kit that doesn't exist!

The Alchemist

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That kit is just a blowtorch for your motor. They got it to fit by removing the heat exchanger, and one thing positive diplacment blowers make is heat. Without it, you're looking at massively high IATs and knock.

old motorhead

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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-f...e-tvs2300.html

Here's one that might be interesting for the OP. Have no idea how much, if any, hacking you'd have to do. It has to be way less than a previous generation Maggie, Whipple, or Jimmy. You would have to switch to LS3 heads, but that's a pretty good idea if good power matters. 650 at the wheels (manny tranny) wouldn't be tough to come by with bolt ons and mild blower cam.

Reaperchild

Its a Heartbeat Alright !! ... That's a clean piece that I would love to have under my hood.
I really consider this option !! smooth !!!

* This Could be the thing I'm looking for Seriously.

The Alchemist

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Again, the hood isn't the concern, it's the cowl. Also, be careful changing over to ls3 heads because they have larger valves in them. I forget what the exact size is, but you will have to make sure the intake and exhaust valves clear the cylinder walls. I thought I remember reading that the exhaust valve will actually hit on the stock 3.898" bores.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, just throwing out things to think about with a project like this. I too thought I wanted a positive displacement blower. But after reading and learning the challenges to run one, it just didn't make sense, hence why I went with a Procharger.

Reaperchild

Well Why not go with a different route, L92 bottom + the 8000$ heartbeat & a blower cam.
what does it total 12,000$ ?? that still can be driven daily with a good tune & yet make 600HP ??

The Alchemist

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Well, I have far less in my current setup with a forged 347 ls6 motor, D1SC and make north of 700rwhp and can be daily driven if I wanted to. I'd say I'm right around $6500-$7000 in my setup and didn't have to touch the cowl or hood.

mac62989

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I talked to a Maggie Rep through facebook about this system back in November. He said after the LS3 their will be one for the LS1,2,7, and 9 I believe. He said this system might make a lot of 4th Gen F-body guys happy.

"Thanks for the great feedback. The LS7 version is likely to be available this year - pricing TBA. The LSA (CTS-V & ZL-1) and G8 kits will be available early in 2013.
The LS1/2/6 cathedral-port version design has been completed and the tooling is commencing now, albeit we are not absolutely sure it will fit the F-body ... it will initially be offered for GTO etc however fitted with the Corvette-style lid it may bring joy for early Camaro owners.
All variants will be available as "Engine Kits", so a mix'n'match will be possible".

Reaperchild

I read the Bold might.

Still ... Can't wait to know more. Ill continue searching if they have any thing on their forums or news or just a hopeful rumor !!

old motorhead

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The performance "add on" industry, as a whole, is notorious for promising much and delivering way less. I hope this isn't the case here. Magnuson is a pretty stand up outfit, but they recently changed hands. Who knows what the company will be like when the smoke clears. I have a drop dead gorgeous '69 Camaro that really wants a blown LS3 under the hood. The Heartbeat, as described, is my first choice. Hopefully, it's available before I get too old to enjoy it

Reaperchild

Think twice, why go LS3/L92 when you can fit these heads on LS1 . (Link Below)
New Maggie Heartbeat LS3 Root Charger + a pair of the below heads.

I'd choke any tuner for anything below 550HP !! Agreed ?

https://ls1tech.com/forums/new-produ...1-engines.html

old motorhead

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You should be 550+ on very mild boost. I'm 650rwhp on the vette in my sig at 9ish psi. The Heartbeat is supposed to be more effecient than the Maggie I'm using.