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Old Jan 3, 2017 | 06:10 AM
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I used this stuff and it looks great. I haven't heat cycled it yet though. I chose it because it's air cured. Some of my pieces were too big to fit in my oven
http://www.cerakotehightemp.com/fini...glacier-black/


We used that when we put together the racecar, its lasted all season, just be very sure make the substrate clean.. very clean before spraying it.

And be sure to spray it in a paint booth or prep pad to get away from the fumes. The stuff is Ammonia based.. even with a respirator on it choked me out
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Old Jan 3, 2017 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by a05c
We used that when we put together the racecar, its lasted all season, just be very sure make the substrate clean.. very clean before spraying it.

And be sure to spray it in a paint booth or prep pad to get away from the fumes. The stuff is Ammonia based.. even with a respirator on it choked me out
good to know! i just ordered a bottle of this for my hotside.... i liked the idea of it being air cured instead of having to bake everything
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Old Jan 3, 2017 | 12:08 PM
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This is the same Cerakote that people put on their guns, correct? So I could have local gun guy apply this for me? And is the Cerakote mainly for looks, or does it have thermal properties like the ceramic coating in the OP?

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This is the same Cerakote that people put on their guns, correct? So I could have local gun guy apply this for me? And is the Cerakote mainly for looks, or does it have thermal properties like the ceramic coating in the OP?

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this is the stuff i ordered

http://www.cerakotehightemp.com/fini...glacier-black/
Cerakote Glacier Black
Item: C-7600Q

Description:Unsurpassed. No other word can adequetely describe Cerakote C-7600 Glacier Black coating. Formulated to withstand temperatures of over 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit and thermal shock from those temperatures directly into water with no adverse effects, C-7600 retains its deep black, sleek satin finish in the most extreme environments. C-Series coatings are a line of air cured, ready to spray ceramic coatings.

Appearance

* Ultra smooth
* Deep, rich black finish
Application
* Easy to apply, Single coat, Air cure formula
* 85% solids yields higher coverage than any other high temp coating
* Self-leveling properties
Other
* VOC Exempt in all 50 states
Performance
*Better thermal barrier properties than any other high temperature coating
* Industry leading heated and un-heated corrosion resistance
* No discoloration, even past 2000
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Old Jan 3, 2017 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by M_Minnick
This is the same Cerakote that people put on their guns, correct? So I could have local gun guy apply this for me? And is the Cerakote mainly for looks, or does it have thermal properties like the ceramic coating in the OP?

Mike
Yeah it's the same stuff. Pretty durable coating. Not sure how good the thermal protection is compared to other coatings, but it's good at scratch and ding protection.
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Old Jan 3, 2017 | 12:31 PM
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Thanks guys. Just called my gun guy, and he wants $100 to do the turbine housing of my S400. I think i'll be dropping it off later on today.
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Old Jan 4, 2017 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ls1charged
this is the stuff i ordered

http://www.cerakotehightemp.com/fini...glacier-black/
Cerakote Glacier Black
Item: C-7600Q

Description:Unsurpassed. No other word can adequetely describe Cerakote C-7600 Glacier Black coating. Formulated to withstand temperatures of over 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit and thermal shock from those temperatures directly into water with no adverse effects, C-7600 retains its deep black, sleek satin finish in the most extreme environments. C-Series coatings are a line of air cured, ready to spray ceramic coatings.

Appearance

* Ultra smooth
* Deep, rich black finish
Application
* Easy to apply, Single coat, Air cure formula
* 85% solids yields higher coverage than any other high temp coating
* Self-leveling properties
Other
* VOC Exempt in all 50 states
Performance
*Better thermal barrier properties than any other high temperature coating
* Industry leading heated and un-heated corrosion resistance
* No discoloration, even past 2000
That's the stuff we used. It works really good and holds up surprisingly well. Just for the love of all things holy don't spray it without a paint booth or prep pad. It will choke you out, ammonia is no joke.

I'd suggest letting it sit for a week after spraying it just to make sure it totally cures.

We did both turbo manifolds, crossover, wastegate dump tubes, turbine housing (maybe more) and only used about 1/2 to 1/3rd of the container. It's lasted all season of racing, with no real issues.. you'll be surprised how fast it cools down also.

The prep work, IE: sandblasting, masking of v band's and cleaning before spraying are very important. Spending the extra time to be extremely thorough is very important.
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Old Jan 4, 2017 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by a05c

did you notice if it itself kept engine bay temps down? i had planned on wrapping it after coating but if i dont HAVE to i wont
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Old Jan 4, 2017 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ls1charged
did you notice if it itself kept engine bay temps down? i had planned on wrapping it after coating but if i dont HAVE to i wont
Racecar, doesn't run long enough to heat the engine bay up.

Wrapping is a pain, and when you have to take it off its a messy, itchy nightmare.
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Old Jan 4, 2017 | 11:29 AM
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I have a little less than a qt of the turbo x black left that I wont be using if anyone is interested. I paid 90 for the qt. Let me double check the exact amount left to determine price. Pm me if interested.
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Old Jan 4, 2017 | 11:42 AM
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a05c, did you coat the inside of the turbine housing? My guy says they pour the coating inside and tilt the housing to spread it around. Machined areas will be masked.
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Old Jan 5, 2017 | 06:27 AM
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Nope, just the outside.

I don't think it'd be worth the time to be honest. It's such a large chunk of Iron that the benefits wouldn't be worth it. At least in our application.
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Old Jan 5, 2017 | 10:07 AM
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Hi, thanks for the info as I have used VHT on piston crowns for years.
I have never have a problem with engine damage, a type of damage caused by ceramic "flaking".

Your given idea, "DIY" coat a piston crown.

I will do so, then give it a "torch" test.

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Old Jan 5, 2017 | 10:56 AM
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It's only good for 2000F, I'd be willing to bet it wouldn't last long, especially in a power adder engine.
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Old Jan 5, 2017 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by a05c
Nope, just the outside.

I don't think it'd be worth the time to be honest. It's such a large chunk of Iron that the benefits wouldn't be worth it. At least in our application.

I think I read that the inside coating would help keep the heat from penetrating into the housing itself.

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Old Jan 19, 2017 | 10:45 PM
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Just got it back today:

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Old Jan 23, 2017 | 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Five O
I used this stuff and it looks great. I haven't heat cycled it yet though. I chose it because it's air cured. Some of my pieces were too big to fit in my oven
http://www.cerakotehightemp.com/fini...glacier-black/


Update: I've ran it for nearly 2 years on the street in all sorts of weather too. Still looks like new. You guys are right about spraying it too. It's rougher than anything I've ever smelled.
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Old Jan 23, 2017 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Five O
Update: I've ran it for nearly 2 years on the street in all sorts of weather too. Still looks like new. You guys are right about spraying it too. It's rougher than anything I've ever smelled.
It made me cough and gag even with a respirator on.. its no joke
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so i just got some of this stuff in the mail, ill be doing my hotside when it gets here, sounds like ill be doing it outside from what your guys are saying, can this be brushed on or does it have to be sprayed on? probably better coverage being sprayed on im guessing, i dont care how it turns out honeslty cause im gonna wrap it too
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