Best FMIC for my setup
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Staging Lane
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Best FMIC for my setup Need some recommendations: Going custom twin turbo setup in a couple weeks. Twin PTE6766s T4 turbine housings, .96 A/R
Car is a 5th gen camaro with an HKE built LSX 427 stuffed with all the goodies and Pat G blower cam, Mast 6 bolt black label 305 heads. Currently running a D1SC (over tasked) from my OE motor.
Anyway, will be between 1000 and 1100 rwhp. Entire driveline and suspension is built. Set the car up for the 2.5 mile road course to run a few times a year at track days, nothing competitive. Its mainly just a very well setup street car.
Was looking at the Procharger 1300HP race IC with dimensions of 27" x 4.5" x 12.5" with 3.5" inlet and outlet.
Costly but i want the best to keep the IATs in check and cant really block my entire radiator since i plan on the road course so 12.5" tall would be perfect.
Read a thread over on Camaro5.com that sort of bashed PC intercoolers. My research however has indicated they are pretty damn good.
So, i ask here, what is the best FMIC to go with for my setup?
Thanks
Heard some good things about Bell ICs????
BTW, price not an issue but quality is.
Car is a 5th gen camaro with an HKE built LSX 427 stuffed with all the goodies and Pat G blower cam, Mast 6 bolt black label 305 heads. Currently running a D1SC (over tasked) from my OE motor.
Anyway, will be between 1000 and 1100 rwhp. Entire driveline and suspension is built. Set the car up for the 2.5 mile road course to run a few times a year at track days, nothing competitive. Its mainly just a very well setup street car.
Was looking at the Procharger 1300HP race IC with dimensions of 27" x 4.5" x 12.5" with 3.5" inlet and outlet.
Costly but i want the best to keep the IATs in check and cant really block my entire radiator since i plan on the road course so 12.5" tall would be perfect.
Read a thread over on Camaro5.com that sort of bashed PC intercoolers. My research however has indicated they are pretty damn good.
So, i ask here, what is the best FMIC to go with for my setup?
Thanks
Heard some good things about Bell ICs????
BTW, price not an issue but quality is.
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You mention you plan on road coursing the car. Are others running a similar setup? A big concern is cooling for road course cars is cooling full stop. So sticking the biggest intercooler in there might be great for keeping the IATs low, but will that impact the engines water temps?
If you are confident that you have the above covered then I say stick the biggest and best core in there you can fit. Don't forget the end tanks either. Try not to have big box end tanks as these take up space that the core could be using and dont flow as well as people think. Have a look at race car end tanks to see what really works.
Are you planning on a vertical or horizontal flow path?
If you are confident that you have the above covered then I say stick the biggest and best core in there you can fit. Don't forget the end tanks either. Try not to have big box end tanks as these take up space that the core could be using and dont flow as well as people think. Have a look at race car end tanks to see what really works.
Are you planning on a vertical or horizontal flow path?
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not trying to steer off-topic but how are you going to roadcourse a 1100rwhp car? unless you plan on turning it down considerably, also considering the car is heavy and the TT kit and an iron block don't help much? I try to do crazy **** with my ZL1 in corners and turns and nope, not a good idea.
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You want the best?
http://www.shearerfabrications.com/p...php?itemid=214
This boy set the current 88mm turbo and ET record. Ron can also do custom end tanks for you.
http://www.shearerfabrications.com/p...php?itemid=214
This boy set the current 88mm turbo and ET record. Ron can also do custom end tanks for you.
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Whilst I'm sure the above is great, you cannot compare a long distance road course type race with a 1/4 mile that lasts 7-8 seconds
The amount of heat developed and needs to be removed are totally different, as are cooling requirements for the engine.
I wouldnt be wanting to place a 6" thick core ( didnt even know Garret made one that thick, unless they doubled up ? ) in front of a radiator of a car that needs to cover distance.
Pretty much anyone can fabricate a huge intercooler using a quality core.....it alone certainly wont be the reason a car sets records.
The only one thing for sure, is have one custom made to make the most efficient use of space available.
Buying off the shelf, unless also intended specifically for your vehicle, will always be more compromised than something made to suit.
The amount of heat developed and needs to be removed are totally different, as are cooling requirements for the engine.
I wouldnt be wanting to place a 6" thick core ( didnt even know Garret made one that thick, unless they doubled up ? ) in front of a radiator of a car that needs to cover distance.
Pretty much anyone can fabricate a huge intercooler using a quality core.....it alone certainly wont be the reason a car sets records.
The only one thing for sure, is have one custom made to make the most efficient use of space available.
Buying off the shelf, unless also intended specifically for your vehicle, will always be more compromised than something made to suit.
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/\/\/\/\ and the reason most race cars with have separate airflow paths for the intercooler and engine cooling. Makes it much easier to control the flow and get sufficient air going through the core rather than the core acting as a huge heat sink.
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not trying to steer off-topic but how are you going to roadcourse a 1100rwhp car? unless you plan on turning it down considerably, also considering the car is heavy and the TT kit and an iron block don't help much? I try to do crazy **** with my ZL1 in corners and turns and nope, not a good idea.
We did a corner balance on my car and am at 4112lbs and within 6lbs on each corner. Running a full Pedders roadcourse suspension with humongous Pedders ZL1 sways and adjustable camber plates. Running -3 deg camber for road course.
Also running 305/30 19s on all 4 corners with big 6 piston brembos and Cobalt Fricton XR1/XR3 pads.
Car is crazy sticky in turns such that i am more worried about oil starvation than anything else.
Heres a write-up by JusticePete, President of PeddersUSA on my last trip down to visit him.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300581
And remember, this is not competitive road course, just the occasional track day to have fun.
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Turns out Procharger runs Garret cores. The one i am thinking of measures 27" x 12.5" x 4.5" thick with 3.5" inlet and outlet. Pretty much the same height as what i am running now but 1.5 in thicker and flows up to 1300 hp.
I only plan on a few track days a year running 20min sessions and can back off when temps start to climb. Im more worried about oil temps than inlet since i run meth also.
I only plan on a few track days a year running 20min sessions and can back off when temps start to climb. Im more worried about oil temps than inlet since i run meth also.
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From: Norn Iron
Fit an oil cooler then. For hard track use, and even more so in a warm climate, it would almost be essential.
It would also be sound advice to run a colder stat too, as a the actual engine itself will also help to keep the oil cool.
It would also be sound advice to run a colder stat too, as a the actual engine itself will also help to keep the oil cool.
I know you are going to be making a good bit of power but I wonder if the super chiller could work on your car.
http://www.revxtreme.com/rx-super-chiller
http://www.revxtreme.com/rx-super-chiller
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have yet to road course it though, hoping to keep the oil temps below 270 for at least 5 laps on the 2.5 mile course then back off if the temps climb. And i am running a full sweep electrical oil press and temp gauge, not the factory crap.
Thanks Stevie!
Maybe a 6" core/long across the bottom opening of the front grill? 10" high or so?
The intake temp builds pretty good on tight courses, don't know about the longer one's.
I've got a few supercharges guys that run small cores and 5 gallon meth tank systems on road courses.Usses some good amount of meth but the engine temps actually went down 10-15 degree's on average from freezing the intake/cylinder heads.
The intake temp builds pretty good on tight courses, don't know about the longer one's.
I've got a few supercharges guys that run small cores and 5 gallon meth tank systems on road courses.Usses some good amount of meth but the engine temps actually went down 10-15 degree's on average from freezing the intake/cylinder heads.
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Maybe a 6" core/long across the bottom opening of the front grill? 10" high or so?
The intake temp builds pretty good on tight courses, don't know about the longer one's.
I've got a few supercharges guys that run small cores and 5 gallon meth tank systems on road courses.Usses some good amount of meth but the engine temps actually went down 10-15 degree's on average from freezing the intake/cylinder heads.
The intake temp builds pretty good on tight courses, don't know about the longer one's.
I've got a few supercharges guys that run small cores and 5 gallon meth tank systems on road courses.Usses some good amount of meth but the engine temps actually went down 10-15 degree's on average from freezing the intake/cylinder heads.
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From: Norn Iron
Certainly the Procharger piece does look great. But again, I'd say have one built specifically for your vehicle ( assuming the Procharger is not )
I cant see it costing any extra, and it will just fit better really. I wouldnt go anything thicker than the 4.5" core though.
The thicket it gets the less efficient it becomes, plus it will obstruct airflow more. 4.5" is pretty thick. Plus the Procharger unit is designed for one in, one out.
I cant see it costing any extra, and it will just fit better really. I wouldnt go anything thicker than the 4.5" core though.
The thicket it gets the less efficient it becomes, plus it will obstruct airflow more. 4.5" is pretty thick. Plus the Procharger unit is designed for one in, one out.