& Cog Drive, w/F1.
procharger or turbo
You would rather have all the power available at a lower RPM and use a device (wastegate) to regulate the maximum amount of power at the lowest RPM before traction issues occur. Turbo systems are many times more complicated though.
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superchargers are a much easier and cheaper way to make hp and work very well. the power as stated is a bit more linear and easier to control just don't skimp on the belt drive or intercooling
turbos are my favorite and have the advantage of easier boost control and as stated can be tuned to hit pretty hard and bring the boost on early in the midrange
I have a ttix setup making 800 at the tire and as stated the "suddeness" of the boost makes it hard to control and hook up.
so I'm going with boost by speed and playing around with the curve to hook on various tunes
but the packaging on the turbo car is an absolute nightmare.
either solution will get u stooopid powa pick your poison and worry more about how you are gonna hook all that up !!!
turbos are my favorite and have the advantage of easier boost control and as stated can be tuned to hit pretty hard and bring the boost on early in the midrange
I have a ttix setup making 800 at the tire and as stated the "suddeness" of the boost makes it hard to control and hook up.
so I'm going with boost by speed and playing around with the curve to hook on various tunes
but the packaging on the turbo car is an absolute nightmare.
either solution will get u stooopid powa pick your poison and worry more about how you are gonna hook all that up !!!
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From: TN
I had a pro charger then went turbo. With that said I'm not gonna say one is better then another. But I can honestly say I'll never go back to a procharger again. A least on a f-body. For what I had wrapped up in the whole blower setup aster bracket , 8rib setup,truck hat , shimed ls2 water pump, ati balancer, fmic, big red bov, head unit. I sold it all brought a Huron speed single kit and still put about a grand back in my pocket. Yes the power comes in stupid fast (2800-3k full boost) but the car feels about 2x times faster and def makes already 150hp or better (made 608 with blower) The procharger came in pretty quick to. One other thing that put a bad taste in my Mouth was, I had a hell of a time getting the belt aglinment right. I spent so much money on different belts and pulleys to get it right plus shim this standoff then take another shim out of this stand off. It was drove me nuts.
Maybe it was just my car. Idk
I sat down and did the math. I wanted to be at/around 1000whp all said and done. I made the switch bc the turbo would get me there quicker and the turbo itself was a lot cheaper then a f1a head unit. Now making the switch I'm very happy I did it, a lot difference style of power deliver, is what I noticed most. I'm not tiring to bad mouth at all just giving my experience. I also like that I quieted the car down a bit.
Maybe it was just my car. Idk
I sat down and did the math. I wanted to be at/around 1000whp all said and done. I made the switch bc the turbo would get me there quicker and the turbo itself was a lot cheaper then a f1a head unit. Now making the switch I'm very happy I did it, a lot difference style of power deliver, is what I noticed most. I'm not tiring to bad mouth at all just giving my experience. I also like that I quieted the car down a bit.
Last edited by 02LS1ram; Jun 5, 2014 at 05:07 PM.
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No worries 02LS1ram... personal experience is what it is. You make very valid points.
My thing is this, once you get to the 700+hp level, I think the way the boost and torque comes in with a procharger is more usable on the street. Again, my personal opinion.
The sound is there, there's no sneaking around in a procharged car. Some love it, some hate it.
My thing is this, once you get to the 700+hp level, I think the way the boost and torque comes in with a procharger is more usable on the street. Again, my personal opinion.
The sound is there, there's no sneaking around in a procharged car. Some love it, some hate it.
No worries 02LS1ram... personal experience is what it is. You make very valid points.
My thing is this, once you get to the 700+hp level, I think the way the boost and torque comes in with a procharger is more usable on the street. Again, my personal opinion.
The sound is there, there's no sneaking around in a procharged car. Some love it, some hate it.
My thing is this, once you get to the 700+hp level, I think the way the boost and torque comes in with a procharger is more usable on the street. Again, my personal opinion.
The sound is there, there's no sneaking around in a procharged car. Some love it, some hate it.
Well hey! you are only 40-45 mins south of me. Next time there's a cars and coffee meet we can take one another for spin. Nothing better then seem of your pants expiernce too validate a point lol.
No worries 02LS1ram... personal experience is what it is. You make very valid points.
My thing is this, once you get to the 700+hp level, I think the way the boost and torque comes in with a procharger is more usable on the street. Again, my personal opinion.
The sound is there, there's no sneaking around in a procharged car. Some love it, some hate it.
My thing is this, once you get to the 700+hp level, I think the way the boost and torque comes in with a procharger is more usable on the street. Again, my personal opinion.
The sound is there, there's no sneaking around in a procharged car. Some love it, some hate it.
Well hey! you are only 40-45 mins south of me. Next time there's a cars and coffee meet we can take one another for spin. Nothing better then seem of your pants expiernce too validate a point lol.
I agree, I love the in your face sound of a procharger. It's just hard trying to fool anyone up here with the noise coming from up front.
Well hey! you are only 40-45 mins south of me. Next time there's a cars and coffee meet we can take one another for spin. Nothing better then seem of your pants expiernce too validate a point lol.
Well hey! you are only 40-45 mins south of me. Next time there's a cars and coffee meet we can take one another for spin. Nothing better then seem of your pants expiernce too validate a point lol.
Good info here as Im contemplating what to go with on my dd car that sees alot of highway driving at or around 55-70mph. A procharger sounds nice but its more expensive, the turbo is cheaper but more to install. What one will be more reliable? Im talking about just the kit itself not the drivetrain or engine once its on there. Examples Im refering to are; rebuilds after so many miles, oil cooler necessity, leaks, ect... Well, I'll put it like this.... do a scan of this section for threads. Count all the threads asking for help or talking about problems. You'll quickly find that the ratio of turbo problem/help threads is far higher than the ratio of procharger : turbo owners.
I'm not saying they can't work, or perform well, but you can't buy a wrong procharger for your application (well, you have a choice, small P1, medium, D1, large F1), but you can certainly get a mismatched turbo.
So yes, a PC is more expensive, but the problem is people look at turbos and think it's cheaper, which it is, till you start looking at all the extras. Need a boost controller (wastegate), need to move/remove stuff, need to figure out oiling, how much of a restriction do I need, am I feeding it too much oil, is the drain back adequate. There is a lot to go wrong with a turbo setup that will result in a less than pleasurable experience. And then there's the tune, and camshaft selection.
So for ease of install, and simplicity of a reliable daily driver, I'd recomend a D1, 8-rib setup, aster's bracket, and front mount intercooler. You're looking at a chunk of money, sure, but it'll be spot on reliable and comfortable making stock to 800rwhp.
I'm not saying they can't work, or perform well, but you can't buy a wrong procharger for your application (well, you have a choice, small P1, medium, D1, large F1), but you can certainly get a mismatched turbo.
So yes, a PC is more expensive, but the problem is people look at turbos and think it's cheaper, which it is, till you start looking at all the extras. Need a boost controller (wastegate), need to move/remove stuff, need to figure out oiling, how much of a restriction do I need, am I feeding it too much oil, is the drain back adequate. There is a lot to go wrong with a turbo setup that will result in a less than pleasurable experience. And then there's the tune, and camshaft selection.
So for ease of install, and simplicity of a reliable daily driver, I'd recomend a D1, 8-rib setup, aster's bracket, and front mount intercooler. You're looking at a chunk of money, sure, but it'll be spot on reliable and comfortable making stock to 800rwhp.
This is a really good thread. I'm at a point right now where I know I want to move away from NA. I had thought about nitrous, but after thinking and thinking more about it, for what I do with my car, it just didn't make sense. Procharger or turbo setup makes sense. The Alchemist has been really helpful to me by letting me know what all I'll need if I go the Procharger route, and yes, it's more expensive than piecing, or buying a complete turbo kit. The On3 kit looks nice to me, especially with the 88mm turbo upgrade. Going the turbo route would also allow me to sell all my NA stuff, like my AI heads, Tick cam, headers, SLP lid, TSP true dual exhaust, etc. After selling all of that, I'm not going to be into a turbo kit all that much. On the other hand, I really love the sound of a Procharger and really like the power curve you get with a Procharger setup. In all honesty, you really can't go wrong with either as long as they are setup correctly.
