Intake manifold suggestions
06-08-2014, 03:34 PM
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Intake manifold suggestions Hey guys. My name is Mike and I have a question. I am putting together a new car, it is a 2000 camaro ss. I have a rod and piston 5.3-5.7 ls a turbo 400, ptc converter, 3.5 gears in a 9 inch. The turbo kit will consist of 2 Borg t4 63 mm turbos. It will have a holley computer etc.
What I am looking at are alternatives to using a ls6 intake manifold. I don't want a tunnel ram, I want to keep my stock hood.
I was thinking about a standard intake that is set up for fuel injection and a hat or elbow what ever you want to call it.
Just wondering what would make good power and still fit under the hood.
P.S. I don't have any or many posts but I have been researching on here and Yellow bullet for over a year now.
Mike Reichen
What I am looking at are alternatives to using a ls6 intake manifold. I don't want a tunnel ram, I want to keep my stock hood.
I was thinking about a standard intake that is set up for fuel injection and a hat or elbow what ever you want to call it.
Just wondering what would make good power and still fit under the hood.
P.S. I don't have any or many posts but I have been researching on here and Yellow bullet for over a year now.
Mike Reichen
06-08-2014, 04:55 PM
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In a boosted application I don't see the need for a different intake manifold really. Anyway you want to sum it up, its all pressurized air. I'm running an LS3 intake manifold which has a 4" Holly throttle body. Two 3" charge pipes merge into a 4" pipe and into the throttle body.
06-08-2014, 08:51 PM
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Hey guys. My name is Mike and I have a question. I am putting together a new car, it is a 2000 camaro ss. I have a rod and piston 5.3-5.7 ls a turbo 400, ptc converter, 3.5 gears in a 9 inch. The turbo kit will consist of 2 Borg t4 63 mm turbos. It will have a holley computer etc.
What I am looking at are alternatives to using a ls6 intake manifold. I don't want a tunnel ram, I want to keep my stock hood.
I was thinking about a standard intake that is set up for fuel injection and a hat or elbow what ever you want to call it.
Just wondering what would make good power and still fit under the hood.
P.S. I don't have any or many posts but I have been researching on here and Yellow bullet for over a year now.
Mike Reichen
What I am looking at are alternatives to using a ls6 intake manifold. I don't want a tunnel ram, I want to keep my stock hood.
I was thinking about a standard intake that is set up for fuel injection and a hat or elbow what ever you want to call it.
Just wondering what would make good power and still fit under the hood.
P.S. I don't have any or many posts but I have been researching on here and Yellow bullet for over a year now.
Mike Reichen
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06-10-2014, 03:32 PM
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Theres the GMPP or Edlebrock Vic Jr. that is popular around here. I'm using a Vic Jr. that was milled down on the carb mount to allow enough room to fit an Aron's Elbow.
If you already have an LS6 intake, why not roll with this? It works great.
Actually, any intake will work as long is it fits your size constraints. After all, we're talking about a forced inducted engine here, right?
If you already have an LS6 intake, why not roll with this? It works great.
Actually, any intake will work as long is it fits your size constraints. After all, we're talking about a forced inducted engine here, right?
06-10-2014, 05:31 PM
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Nothing against the LS6 intake, but it is hyped up beyond belief. For the cost of a used LS6 intake these days, you can buy a new cast aftermarket intake. The LS6 was a great manifold back when you could pick up a used one cheaply. Blowing $450-500 on one seems retarded IMO.
I'd go with something like this for $369
It claims 17 more HP at the wheels over an LS6 intake. And comes with aftermarket rails. Several other choices for around the same cost.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Professional-Products-52061-GM-LS1-LS6-Satin-Aluminum-Intake-w-Fuel-Rails-/261497613395?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3ce278ec53&vxp=mtr
I went with a $40 ls1 intake personally.
I'd go with something like this for $369
It claims 17 more HP at the wheels over an LS6 intake. And comes with aftermarket rails. Several other choices for around the same cost.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Professional-Products-52061-GM-LS1-LS6-Satin-Aluminum-Intake-w-Fuel-Rails-/261497613395?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3ce278ec53&vxp=mtr
I went with a $40 ls1 intake personally.
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06-10-2014, 05:46 PM
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The fact that one is all aluminium, potential heat soak, and uses crappy gaskets. Those things would put me off over any factory type intake or composite intake.
But quite right, the price LS6's go for is a bit crazy
But quite right, the price LS6's go for is a bit crazy
06-10-2014, 06:00 PM
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Thats if you believe everything you read on the net, which looks like you do. My opinion is you know zero about heat soak and airflow and heat through an intake manifold. But that is just my opinion. If you think it makes a major difference thats great. Also the gaskets are not as good as the ls6 gasket but they are certainly not "crappy". Nope I dont run a pro products intake but my buddy does. Zero difference between the logging and tuning we have done versus the Ls2 manifold he was running. He sold that intake for an outrageous amount of money then bought the pro products aluminum intake for a little bit of money and went just as fast.
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06-10-2014, 06:06 PM
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There is no question aluminium will heat soak more than composite. That's simple physics. it conducts heat far better...you cannot argue with that.
Did I mention anything about airflow through the intake ? Nope.
Airflow will be fast, less heat will be imparted to the air via composite than aluminium. That is once again physics.
Will it be a huge amount ? probably not. Carb intakes would fall into a similar area, although they'd have slightly less surface area overall.
And there is no question the alloy linked above one does use shitty gaskets. With boost...that is rather important.
Plus the fact you almost never see anyone running any of those cheap alloy intakes. I presume there is a reason for that ?
If they have proven themselves, surely more people would be running them...or even shouting about them ?
06-10-2014, 06:19 PM
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Paper gaskets are a bummer, but I've used those for years and years without issues on many turbo setups. Not a deal breaker for me.
The composite stuff seems to hold up ok, but I've seen more than a few develop cracks and leak too. I like the overall sturdiness and the ability to drill/tap into the alum intakes. Looks better too IMO. I go with something like that before I'd blow $500 on an LS6 intake anyway.
The hat/elbow setups tend to be pretty tall. If you want hood clearance your better off with the FI style intakes. If you've got the money the fast stuff is really nice, composite, and performs a good deal better than the options above.
The composite stuff seems to hold up ok, but I've seen more than a few develop cracks and leak too. I like the overall sturdiness and the ability to drill/tap into the alum intakes. Looks better too IMO. I go with something like that before I'd blow $500 on an LS6 intake anyway.
The hat/elbow setups tend to be pretty tall. If you want hood clearance your better off with the FI style intakes. If you've got the money the fast stuff is really nice, composite, and performs a good deal better than the options above.
06-10-2014, 06:24 PM
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Given how long those intakes have been around, and the variety in general. It would be great to hear some reviews of them
Obviously you can never believe manufacturers claims about the product...as they tend to be biased
In the n/a world, are any of those intakes well proven...or even commonly used ?
Obviously you can never believe manufacturers claims about the product...as they tend to be biased
In the n/a world, are any of those intakes well proven...or even commonly used ?
06-10-2014, 06:30 PM
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Given how long those intakes have been around, and the variety in general. It would be great to hear some reviews of them
Obviously you can never believe manufacturers claims about the product...as they tend to be biased
In the n/a world, are any of those intakes well proven...or even commonly used ?
Obviously you can never believe manufacturers claims about the product...as they tend to be biased
In the n/a world, are any of those intakes well proven...or even commonly used ?
06-10-2014, 06:33 PM
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Did I say it makes a major difference ? Nope.
There is no question aluminium will heat soak more than composite. That's simple physics. it conducts heat far better...you cannot argue with that.
Did I mention anything about airflow through the intake ? Nope.
Airflow will be fast, less heat will be imparted to the air via composite than aluminium. That is once again physics.
Will it be a huge amount ? probably not. Carb intakes would fall into a similar area, although they'd have slightly less surface area overall.
You dont need to tell me what fact is because, I never said anything was fact in my post.
And there is no question the alloy linked above one does use shitty gaskets. With boost...that is rather important.
Plus the fact you almost never see anyone running any of those cheap alloy intakes. I presume there is a reason for that ?
If they have proven themselves, surely more people would be running them...or even shouting about them ?
There is no question aluminium will heat soak more than composite. That's simple physics. it conducts heat far better...you cannot argue with that.
Did I mention anything about airflow through the intake ? Nope.
Airflow will be fast, less heat will be imparted to the air via composite than aluminium. That is once again physics.
Will it be a huge amount ? probably not. Carb intakes would fall into a similar area, although they'd have slightly less surface area overall.
You dont need to tell me what fact is because, I never said anything was fact in my post.
And there is no question the alloy linked above one does use shitty gaskets. With boost...that is rather important.
Plus the fact you almost never see anyone running any of those cheap alloy intakes. I presume there is a reason for that ?
If they have proven themselves, surely more people would be running them...or even shouting about them ?
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06-10-2014, 06:36 PM
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When something works great, people do tend to shout about them do they not ? Certainly companies selling them would shout about them.
Found this old article, although hard to read as scans are poor resolution.
http://www.tpis.com/pages/2_17_06
06-10-2014, 07:01 PM
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Hell I know people with various qualifications...and they're still thick as *****. Bits of paper mean very little.
06-10-2014, 07:10 PM
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Whilst it would probably blow into lots of pieces under boost...
Something like this actually looks quite interesting. Nice runners and lots of plenum volume
http://www.chevyhardcore.com/news/va...or-ls-engines/
Something like this actually looks quite interesting. Nice runners and lots of plenum volume
http://www.chevyhardcore.com/news/va...or-ls-engines/
06-10-2014, 07:16 PM
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Whilst it would probably blow into lots of pieces under boost...
Something like this actually looks quite interesting. Nice runners and lots of plenum volume
http://www.chevyhardcore.com/news/va...or-ls-engines/
Something like this actually looks quite interesting. Nice runners and lots of plenum volume
http://www.chevyhardcore.com/news/va...or-ls-engines/
