To E85 or not to E85....
E85 is not corrosive. It attracts water and and thats when rust can come into play. It will clean the living hell out of your fuel tank/system so make sure your tank is clean before the swap over otherwise you will have filter issues. If the car is going to sit for awhile, fill the tank all the way up so that there is no room to collect water and add some E85 stabilizer.
What is E85 stabilizer? And how will this stop it from absorbing water?
How are those racetronix injectors working for you? Are you running E85 through them?
I knew there where a few of you guys running them on E85. I bought the 160's with intentions on running some E85 through them. It's Good to know they are working out so far becuase they are WAY cheaper than any other flow matched 160 ive seen.
Topping the tank off is the best way to prevent it from absorbing water since it pulls that water from moisture in the air. And most of your high quality fuel components use synthetics that are fine with ethanol, its the low quality stuff where its easy to run into trouble.
I have seen how just this 10% ethanol blended fuel can be corrosive to vehicles' fuel systems. At Lexus (where I work) we are getting a ton of warranty jobs replacing fuel rails because the ethanol is eating the type of metal the rails are made out of. It seems that certain types of metals just do not react well to the ethanol.
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Verdad Gallardo It doesnt stop it from absorbing water (nor did I say it did): "Whether you use E-10, E-15, E-85, pure ethanol, or any mixture in between, including gasoline, it can be stabilized to prevent varnish and gum formation. Safeguard cleans injectors, valve seats, combustion chambers, and other critical fuel components. It combats deposits and protects your engine's lubricants from the harmful effects of alcohol combustion. Plus, it's completely soluble in all ethanol fuels, will not harm your filters, and contains effective additives to prevent the rust and corrosion associated with ethanol fuels."
Topping the tank off is the best way to prevent it from absorbing water since it pulls that water from moisture in the air. And most of your high quality fuel components use synthetics that are fine with ethanol, its the low quality stuff where its easy to run into trouble.
Topping the tank off is the best way to prevent it from absorbing water since it pulls that water from moisture in the air. And most of your high quality fuel components use synthetics that are fine with ethanol, its the low quality stuff where its easy to run into trouble.
Reason I ask is I have E85 injector "Goo" build up. Which is due to an additive (PIB) placed in the base gas that is mixed into the E85. It is not a product of E85 nor is it Gunk/rust etc form the fuel system/filters. It "crashes out" of the fuel mixture as it exits the injector.
Everything I've read about products claiming to clean your fuel system with a little bottle have always seemed like total BS to me. Especially when you look at the MSDS and see it's mainly petroleum distillates (paint thinner) and dye. But if this Lucas Safeguard actually helps/cures this problem I'd be very interested. I'm just skeptical is all...
Heres the info on the E85 build up most locals I know see. Again, it has nothing to do with gunk in the fuel system or incompatible materials in ethanol. Not that E85 won't break down sludge in a dirty fuel system as well, but it usually doesn't make it to an injector tip. This additive is also region specific. Not all gas companies use the PIB additive so some lucky folks out there never have to deal with this garbage.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...4&postcount=42
Here is the build up on my injectors...
Your talking about Lucas Safeguard Ethanol Fuel Conditioner specifically?
Reason I ask is I have E85 injector "Goo" build up. Which is due to an additive (PIB) placed in the base gas that is mixed into the E85. It is not a product of E85 nor is it Gunk/rust etc form the fuel system/filters. It "crashes out" of the fuel mixture as it exits the injector.
Everything I've read about products claiming to clean your fuel system with a little bottle have always seemed like total BS to me. Especially when you look at the MSDS and see it's mainly petroleum distillates (paint thinner) and dye. But if this Lucas Safeguard actually helps/cures this problem I'd be very interested. I'm just skeptical is all...
Heres the info on the E85 build up most locals I know see. Again, it has nothing to do with gunk in the fuel system or incompatible materials in ethanol. Not that E85 won't break down sludge in a dirty fuel system as well, but it usually doesn't make it to an injector tip. This additive is also region specific. Not all gas companies use the PIB additive so some lucky folks out there never have to deal with this garbage.
Reason I ask is I have E85 injector "Goo" build up. Which is due to an additive (PIB) placed in the base gas that is mixed into the E85. It is not a product of E85 nor is it Gunk/rust etc form the fuel system/filters. It "crashes out" of the fuel mixture as it exits the injector.
Everything I've read about products claiming to clean your fuel system with a little bottle have always seemed like total BS to me. Especially when you look at the MSDS and see it's mainly petroleum distillates (paint thinner) and dye. But if this Lucas Safeguard actually helps/cures this problem I'd be very interested. I'm just skeptical is all...
Heres the info on the E85 build up most locals I know see. Again, it has nothing to do with gunk in the fuel system or incompatible materials in ethanol. Not that E85 won't break down sludge in a dirty fuel system as well, but it usually doesn't make it to an injector tip. This additive is also region specific. Not all gas companies use the PIB additive so some lucky folks out there never have to deal with this garbage.
I'm convinced its the additives you are talking about because i have yet to hear about people experiencing these problems when they fill up from the stations i do. I usually only fill up at a select few stations during the year once i know they are good. Some call it crazy but I have had absolutely zero issues and i'm not doing anything special other then sticking to a few specific stations. My 80lb injectors were spotless after 2 years of nothing but E85. I threw in FIC 127s this year, so we'll see what happens.
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I had the "goo" after 2 years with barrel bought E85 not pump. It plugged my fuel filter almost completely. Stainless filter so i just had to clean it. Found this on first startup this year.
Shouldn't be any air to expose it to in a sealed fuel system. That was probably crap in the barrel or your fuel system? Not sure though thats just me guessing from what I've read about it.
E85 is pretty easy to get here in Ohio. There's at least 4 stations within a 10 minute drive from my place. BUT.....I just hate to be so dependent on getting E85 that I cant take the truck for a road trip...aka Power Tour. I use HPtuners on my N/A Camaro and feel fairly confident, however my truck will be my first turbo tuning experience. I'm thinking E85 for the safety factor if nothing else.
But dang if having E85 everywhere isn't tempting....
But dang if having E85 everywhere isn't tempting....
^^^same issue here. I have a few stations near my house but going on trips 2+ hours away and having to GPS my route to ensure that I am within reach of an E85 station is a burden. I wish I could afford the self adjusting systems like the Pro-Efi that I had for my 2J setup but thats not happening. I also lack the skills to adjust any tuning on HP or other systems so I am SOL.
This is my line of thinking on that end... If I can't go there and home with a full tank and maybe a 5gal jug, then I don't need to be driving a 800+rwhp car that damn far haha.
@SM...I am sure it has been done but I do not have the know how or knowledge to even begin looking at this option....super new to those whole GM world and HP Tuner.
@Vette....I hear ya but after not driving your car for 5+ years for one reason or another I am going to wanna take this bichhhh everywhere lol. I used to love taking my initial build to other states and hit up long straight paths or winding roads...there are some here where I live in Long Island but if you are going to drive reckless here you are asking for trouble. With my Pro-Efi I would just fill up and drive as if its all the same fuel. Took my buddies Supra down to North Carolina while he was moving down there...stopped filled at any station with no hesitation, need for switching tunes etc. Dont really like driving around with a 5 gallon jug of extremely flammable liquid in the trunk or back seat either....im a wusss I know lol.
@Vette....I hear ya but after not driving your car for 5+ years for one reason or another I am going to wanna take this bichhhh everywhere lol. I used to love taking my initial build to other states and hit up long straight paths or winding roads...there are some here where I live in Long Island but if you are going to drive reckless here you are asking for trouble. With my Pro-Efi I would just fill up and drive as if its all the same fuel. Took my buddies Supra down to North Carolina while he was moving down there...stopped filled at any station with no hesitation, need for switching tunes etc. Dont really like driving around with a 5 gallon jug of extremely flammable liquid in the trunk or back seat either....im a wusss I know lol.
If you have small enough injectors you should be able to get away with dropping your fuel pressure if your in a bind. Esp if you have your base FP set high.
I ran 6 120lb injectors on E85. I could drop my base pressure to 15 or so with the adjustable FPR in about 30 seconds. Fill up on pump gas and cruise around alright. AFR's were in the mid to high 12's.
Doing this with 8 160's may not work as well though!
I ran 6 120lb injectors on E85. I could drop my base pressure to 15 or so with the adjustable FPR in about 30 seconds. Fill up on pump gas and cruise around alright. AFR's were in the mid to high 12's.
Doing this with 8 160's may not work as well though!