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Old Jul 4, 2014 | 11:33 AM
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Looking to get more out of my setup. I am thinking about upgrading my heads or may be something else lets hear what you think.

370, -11cc pistons, afr205 heads 61cc, Victor Jr intake port match to heads, 4150 throttle body, pro extreme velocity carb hat, 1 3/4 headers with texas speed true duals , lil john cam, garrett air to air intercooler, f1a 16psi procharger pulley to 74,700 at 7200rpm, th400 trans with circle d converter 5300 shall, 9 inch rear with 3.50 gears, race weight of 3740. It made 731hp 609tq race gas c16 676hp 586tq on pump gas this was on a mustang dyno
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Old Jul 4, 2014 | 11:49 AM
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The only thing I can see is the headers, FI cars need to breathe. Also, MD's are heartbreakers, that would be 800+/- on a DJ. How does the butt dyno feel?
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Old Jul 4, 2014 | 01:31 PM
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F1X...

You're out of blower. Your car hauls *** for the blower you have.
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Old Jul 4, 2014 | 02:06 PM
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The only thing I can see is the headers, FI cars need to breathe. Also, MD's are heartbreakers, that would be 800+/- on a DJ. How does the butt dyno feel?
I am with this guy. People pick up HP on N/A setups going with larger than 1 3/4 headers probably would get you some HP.
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Bigger what fuel system way low
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Old Jul 4, 2014 | 04:40 PM
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F1X...

You're out of blower. Your car hauls *** for the blower you have.
The car is still a street car with a/c. I don't have to much more room for a bigger blower. If I found a good deal on a used f1c or f1r I would try to make it fit.
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X3 headers, also whats the rest of your exhaust?
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X3 headers, also whats the rest of your exhaust?
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Old Jul 4, 2014 | 07:36 PM
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The car is still a street car with a/c. I don't have to much more room for a bigger blower. If I found a good deal on a used f1c or f1r I would try to make it fit.
I don't think you would gain much if anything going to a C or R... On paper they look to flow more air and support more power but...In the real world, I don't think they make much more power if any...

I have an F1R and run the same MPH as you do at 3650lbs... I recently tightened the converter and figure it will go 153 mph but... that's about it... Spinning the R at 69k rpms.

X will be my next move... Less parasitic loss then an R... More power, less boost needed... OR way more boost if wanted..
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I don't think you would gain much if anything going to a C or R... On paper they look to flow more air and support more power but...In the real world, I don't think they make much more power if any...

I have an F1R and run the same MPH as you do at 3650lbs... I recently tightened the converter and figure it will go 153 mph but... that's about it... Spinning the R at 69k rpms.

X will be my next move... Less parasitic loss then an R... More power, less boost needed... OR way more boost if wanted..
May want to look at this thread below. Looks like you might need three, for one race weekend. They are still updating them also as people return the blown up ones.
How many f1x blew up this weekend
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Old Jul 4, 2014 | 11:53 PM
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What are the details on your full exhaust setup?
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Old Jul 5, 2014 | 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by caMnaro
May want to look at this thread below. Looks like you might need three, for one race weekend. They are still updating them also as people return the blown up ones.
How many f1x blew up this weekend
What are saying you couldn't afford a f1-x and and dealing with turbos instead since they are cheaper and failure and rebuilds are ok with you if you save a few dollars
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What I was looking to do is buy tfs235 or afr245 heads but if its not going to pick up much power its not wroth it.

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What are saying you couldn't afford a f1-x and and dealing with turbos instead since they are cheaper and failure and rebuilds are ok with you if you save a few dollars
I guess you are okay with being R&D for procharger and spending 10k on blowers for a weekend, LOL. There is not a cheap way to FI with Turbos or blowers. I prefer turbo that is why i want that route. If i wanted to be cheap i also could have bought a ebay turbo kit, but spent a lot to have a custom turbo kit built how i wanted. Has nothing to do with affordability its what i prefer. And why would anyone buy something if they new it would break so quickly. Is that not the reason people ask for reviews on any product before they buy?

Sorry op for cluttering your thread. Back on topic
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I have the TFS 235s on my 370 and it made 875 @ 16psi, th400, etc. I think you'd pick some power up with those and a bigger header. Sell your AFRs/headers to buy most of the stuff. Just my .02
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Originally Posted by ajrothm
I don't think you would gain much if anything going to a C or R... On paper they look to flow more air and support more power but...In the real world, I don't think they make much more power if any...

I have an F1R and run the same MPH as you do at 3650lbs... I recently tightened the converter and figure it will go 153 mph but... that's about it... Spinning the R at 69k rpms.

X will be my next move... Less parasitic loss then an R... More power, less boost needed... OR way more boost if wanted..

Ok I could see the f1c not making much more power but if I got a f1r it should make like 5psi more so maybe around a 100hp right?

Has any one tried the f1c 10.5?
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Heads, solid roller and bigger headers.
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I gotta disagree with the above post in that you won't see gains with the c or the r over the a. Unless you have a major restriction somewhere, you should see some gains.
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I gotta disagree with the above post in that you won't see gains with the c or the r over the a. Unless you have a major restriction somewhere, you should see some gains.
Ok good to know so I don't send money were its not going to help
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by stmz28
Ok I could see the f1c not making much more power but if I got a f1r it should make like 5psi more so maybe around a 100hp right?

Has any one tried the f1c 10.5?
I have the R, with an 8" crank and 4.25" blower pulley. That is 69,120 at around 7k if I remember... At 6800 ish in the traps, I'm seeing 255 kpa (22-23 psi). My baby cam let it make peak power at 6000(21 psi) and it holds it steady to 6500 (22 psi)...it starts to nose over after that, although the boost keeps climbing, its not making anymore power...(not sure if its the cam or intake causing the restriction)..

I'm telling you an F1R is a HP hog...they are very hard to turn.... Spin one by hand and you'll see what I mean.

FYI...Steve Morris "dyno tested" an F1R....(on a rig he built to spin a blower and measure HP)... At max impeller speed(68k), and 23 psi restriction, it took 250 hp to turn it...

Will you gain some power with an R over an A? Maybe... Is it worth the hassle and expense, probably not.. Same thing with heads.... I have a $2700 set of heads on my car and I'd be willing to bet it would make the same power with some ported 317s....or real close to it..

Reducing the parasitic loss will put more power to the tires without working the engine any harder with more boost.

That's why you see YSI cars running faster mph and dynoing more hp then most any of the F1 series blowers, even though they are smaller and flow much less air....Yet they'll make 100hp more on average when maxed out..

F1X is the answer... That or a big single turbo...
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