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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 04:11 PM
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The thing I love is in one ad it says "Equal length Primaries". I don't think they know what that means. LOL

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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 04:56 PM
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http://www.shender4.com/gage_chart.htm

I didn’t know gage thickness changed with the material? But according to this chart 18g SS is .050. 16g is .063. I’d be happy with 16g if I could find it.
I have the speed engineering ebay headers and they are 17 gauge(I contacted them before buying them) They really are not as bad as you would think for $170, that being said I also have a set of stainless works 1 7/8 and they are definitely heavier duty. The sw ones are 16 gauge. I think most people would be fine with the speed engineering headers as long as you build good mounts so you don't hang the turbo weight on them.
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gtfoxy
So yours are 17 gauge.
Somewhere in that ball park. I know damn well they aren't any thicker than .063. When I was welding my pie cut on to the base material It burned WAY faster than the .080 I was using. They seem to be doing the trick though I've been beating the **** out of my car for the better part of 2-3months and my turbos are not supported No problems yet.
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 07:01 PM
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I've been beating the **** out of my car for the better part of 2-3months and my turbos are not supported No problems yet.
Thats impressive! Are the headers wrapped? I would love to see what kind of gain these offer over a truck manifold.
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 09:56 PM
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Thats impressive! Are the headers wrapped? I would love to see what kind of gain these offer over a truck manifold.
Minimal at best. Yes they are wrapped. I only bought them because I wanted a better base material to work with. I didn't feel comfortable knowing if the truck manifolds would crack one day.
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 11:04 PM
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When I was building my house I hired an old timer concrete guy. One day we were talking about my concrete walls & cracking. He said "There are two kinds of concrete: Concrete that has cracked & concrete that hasn't cracked yet." I thought for a few seconds then responded, "So it's like turbo headers?"

Supported, unsupported, eventually thermal fatigue will have its way with your manifolds/headers. Drive it long enough, hard enough, it is very likely to happen. My T-type had cracked headers when I bought it. I have seen many cracked DSM manifolds & have had one turbo system blow out a primary close to the head. I have countless other manifold issues I could throw out there like warped flanges on My Cummins diesel & on & on.

I just watched that video of Nacho's turbo Camaro on the main page & IIRC he said in the video the headers were Inconel. The best of the best. Well, if you watch the video during the second pull you will see the collectors start glowing then right at the top end of the second pull you will see a flash out of the drivers collector & then it gets shut down. Maybe he noticed it, maybe not, but that primary merger has been ruptured & will get worse & worse if they didn't catch it & fix it.
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by gtfoxy
I just watched that video of Nacho's turbo Camaro on the main page & IIRC he said in the video the headers were Inconel. The best of the best. Well, if you watch the video during the second pull you will see the collectors start glowing then right at the top end of the second pull you will see a flash out of the drivers collector & then it gets shut down. Maybe he noticed it, maybe not, but that primary has been ruptured & will get worse & worse if they didn't catch it & fix it.
I saw that as well. Billion dollar headers-hope he has a warrenty!

Are you 100% sure that was exhaust leaving the pipe though?
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 11:10 PM
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Yeah man. Look at the extra video that shows when it stops playing. It is a video from the guy you see videoing in the first video. He is standing right over the drivers side when it pops at 1:35 & you see the flame flash coming out of the primary merger.
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Old Dec 18, 2015 | 07:01 AM
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Minimal at best. Yes they are wrapped. I only bought them because I wanted a better base material to work with. I didn't feel comfortable knowing if the truck manifolds would crack one day.
IMO (if welded correctly) the cast OEM manifolds are the least likely to crack. Most of them are already 10-15 years old when we get our hands on'm and start bastardizing them. I've yet to see one crack...even with poor welding technique.

I'd say weight savings and a collector type design VS the log would be the best reasons to change. But those 17g headers have primaries and collectors that are too large for what most of us are doing. I was trying to find something like these with a decent gage tubing and having no luck.

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Old Dec 18, 2015 | 09:39 AM
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My biggest concern is cast flanges warping if the metal is right, which it appears they got it pretty good with how they are lasting people. Every 5.3 I've seen has had at least A couple busted studs.

Those are basically what I did a majority of systems with back in the day... Just flip those upside down & weld a connector pipe. I had 1-5/8" on my 5.3 as well. Torn between something like these or do truck manifolds.
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Old Dec 18, 2015 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Forcefed86
IMO (if welded correctly) the cast OEM manifolds are the least likely to crack. Most of them are already 10-15 years old when we get our hands on'm and start bastardizing them. I've yet to see one crack...even with poor welding technique.

I'd say weight savings and a collector type design VS the log would be the best reasons to change. But those 17g headers have primaries and collectors that are too large for what most of us are doing. I was trying to find something like these with a decent gage tubing and having no luck.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LS1-LS6-LSX-...tWCuCe&vxp=mtr
Honestly i switched because i didn't like my original placement. These gave a better look. Truck manifolds have/will do more than i ever need. It was more of a cosmetic thing for me.
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Old Dec 18, 2015 | 10:21 AM
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I have zero doubt a 1 5/8 “collector style” header with 2.5” collectors (or smaller 2.25”) Would outperform an OEM log.

I don’t think they are as durable or hold in heat as well. There’s usually enough “meat” on the OEM flange that you can machine, belt sand, or in my case block sand (ug.. ) the surface pretty darn flat. I also admit I like the look of the aftermarket manifolds better.
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Old Dec 18, 2015 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Forcefed86
I have zero doubt a 1 5/8 “collector style” header with 2.5” collectors (or smaller 2.25”) Would outperform an OEM log.

I don’t think they are as durable or hold in heat as well. There’s usually enough “meat” on the OEM flange that you can machine, belt sand, or in my case block sand (ug.. ) the surface pretty darn flat. I also admit I like the look of the aftermarket manifolds better.
Yeah I'm sure they do perform better but it sure as hell isn't noticeable in my application. I hit them with some ceramic paint and wrapped the hell out of them and haven't had an issue yet. They Defiantly look way better and give a uniform look under the hood. My only gripe is with the cheap gaskets they give you..
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I am glad you say they will last because with as thin as they are I figured they would just melt if I wrapped them. Awesome people are having good luck with them. Right now my turbos are not supported and you can move it roughly a 1/4 inch. I figured with the price you cant go wrong though!
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Any of you guys running into burnt plug wire issues with these headers?
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Old Feb 5, 2016 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboTim
I am glad you say they will last because with as thin as they are I figured they would just melt if I wrapped them. Awesome people are having good luck with them. Right now my turbos are not supported and you can move it roughly a 1/4 inch. I figured with the price you cant go wrong though!
Yeah $168 is a steal. Mine too are hanging off with no support. Man those wide bands are
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