Vortech non intercooled: still happy?
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Vortech non intercooled: still happy? A couple of guys are helping me to understand what's about superchargers. If I buy one I'll go with a Vortech, but: which one?
I don't want to build a race machine, I just want a normal looking and feeling car with that special extra power.
Should I go with the 9# intercooled kit or with the 5# standard kit?
Who has the non intercooled? Are you still happy with this choice or you regret not having taken the intercooled kit?
I'd prefer to stay conservative just to don't mess up engine + transmission.
Someone made this suggestion: take the intercooled kit with a 5# pulley.
Thanks - Stefano
I don't want to build a race machine, I just want a normal looking and feeling car with that special extra power.
Should I go with the 9# intercooled kit or with the 5# standard kit?
Who has the non intercooled? Are you still happy with this choice or you regret not having taken the intercooled kit?
I'd prefer to stay conservative just to don't mess up engine + transmission.
Someone made this suggestion: take the intercooled kit with a 5# pulley.
Thanks - Stefano
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OK but Vortech offers a 5 PSI kit without intercooler. I assume that with low pressure you'll also have a minor temperature increase and (maybe) no need of an intercooler.
P*V=n*R*T works also for blowers...
P*V=n*R*T works also for blowers...
You said you want to stay conservative and not mess up the engine. With an intercooled 7# - 8# Vortech you would probably have more reliabilty than with a 5# non intercooled kit. A friend has an intercooled Vortech and sees 7# at 6200rpm with just headers, he`s had no overheating or any other problems. But at idle you deffinately hear the blower, not stock sounding at all.
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OK this is a good information, thanks! I really was thinking it was just a matter of choosing the PSI range. Is the non intercooled the poor man version?
About the noise: I thought that Vortech was one of the quitest... SQ is for Super Quite (or maybe for Sounds Questionably?)
Stefano
About the noise: I thought that Vortech was one of the quitest... SQ is for Super Quite (or maybe for Sounds Questionably?)
Stefano
the non intercooled is the entry level... take that for what its worth.
even on my custom install, i was going to do air/air intercoolers, but found an aftercooler for cheap so im going with that instead
Ryan
even on my custom install, i was going to do air/air intercoolers, but found an aftercooler for cheap so im going with that instead
Ryan
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OK this is a good information, thanks! I really was thinking it was just a matter of choosing the PSI range. Is the non intercooled the poor man version?
About the noise: I thought that Vortech was one of the quitest... SQ is for Super Quite (or maybe for Sounds Questionably?)
Stefano
About the noise: I thought that Vortech was one of the quitest... SQ is for Super Quite (or maybe for Sounds Questionably?)
Stefano
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You can always stick with your Vortech and instead of buying the godaweful expensive aftercooler just buy a $400-450 Alcohol/Water injection kit. It will cool better than the Aftercooler will and cost much less AND raise your octane.
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So much help! But still confused. If I just want 5# of boost do I really need the cooler? This is the question. It's clear: the higher the pressure the more I have to cool the air, but is it 5# that much?
Thanks - Stefano
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Originally Posted by tici
So much help! But still confused. If I just want 5# of boost do I really need the cooler? This is the question. It's clear: the higher the pressure the more I have to cool the air, but is it 5# that much?
Thanks - Stefano
Thanks - Stefano
At 5psi you will still be running hotter intake air temps than without a blower so anything you can do to cool the charge will help with HP and detonation control. Besides, 5psi sucks and I doubt you'll wanna stay at that level when you could easily cool the air and run 7-8psi
Listen to F8LPONY. I have a non intercooled kit on my Tahoe. To say I was dissappointed was a serious understatement. With a non intercooled kit you cant run as much timing either. Im adding an alky kit to mine soon and going to 11psi. Its up to you, but you need some sort of intercooling . I didnt notice but you need to upgrade intake and run some good LT's and catback.
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OK I could also go first with the non intercooled and see how it works... then buy the cooler in a second time (maybe used). It will cost more but I'll be able to see the difference.
Is this a compromise?
This is the thing: I'm REALLY afraid to mess up the thransmission. To rebuild it here it will cost me an arm and a leg... I just want to install the blower and forget it, as it was stock. Just dreaming? I sold my old 91 Firebird with 150'000 miles and it was still driving like new. Never changed a piece, just fill oil and gas... I just have the feeling that having too much boost the "new" Trans Am wont last that much...
Is this a compromise?
This is the thing: I'm REALLY afraid to mess up the thransmission. To rebuild it here it will cost me an arm and a leg... I just want to install the blower and forget it, as it was stock. Just dreaming? I sold my old 91 Firebird with 150'000 miles and it was still driving like new. Never changed a piece, just fill oil and gas... I just have the feeling that having too much boost the "new" Trans Am wont last that much...
Its not blowers that kill transmissions, its the added power. There is no way around it. A big tranny cooler, shift kit, and servo's will buy you some time, but your driving habits will determine how fast it (tranny) goes. I have 75K on mine and no shift kit, but I have servo's and a big cooler. Im just hoping that it lasts until the end of the year when I get my FLP level 5 4L65 
. You have to play to pay. If you triple the amount you think you will spend that will give you a more accurate idea of what is needed to be somewhat reliable. Prepare for alot of frustration.
. You have to play to pay. If you triple the amount you think you will spend that will give you a more accurate idea of what is needed to be somewhat reliable. Prepare for alot of frustration.
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greentahoe: LT's and catback are already here (TTS + Corsa).
Intake: you mean TB + manifold?
Intake: you mean TB + manifold?
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...triple the amount I think to spend...
...frustration...
ok let me sleep on it. Here it's almost 2 AM and tomorrow is Monday.
Good night!
...frustration...
ok let me sleep on it. Here it's almost 2 AM and tomorrow is Monday.
Good night!
Thats all you are looking at correct??
Now add this
Install $700- $1000
LT headers $530 plus install
Stall converter $700
Alk kit $400
Tuning $1000 before it was right
Transmission $2500
I also needed
Posi $400 plus install
Injectors $400