Turbos running out of steam
another think to consider is a "hybrid" air to air intercooler with "cooling jackets" on the end tanks.
I fabbed this up on front mount intercooler and it would allow me to pump ice cold water into "tank jackets" that provides about a 1/2" of water flow through a jacket I fabbed up on the top and bottom and end tanks. It looked a bit frankenstine but it allowed me to super cool the whole intercooler core with ice cold water rather than spraying it down with cold water between rounds
I did finally take it off the car as the "sweat" dripping off the intercooler on the track became an issue but it worked really well!!
if you fabbed a small "catch tray" this wouldn't be a problem.
air to air is MUCH less hassle on the street and with E85 you might not need air/water as long as you can get IAC close to ambient.
ford fooled around with a "super cooler" that used the ac to chill the "aftercooler" setup (air water intercooler with chilled water) but I don't think that would be worth the hassle either.
good info! good luck with your decision.
I fabbed this up on front mount intercooler and it would allow me to pump ice cold water into "tank jackets" that provides about a 1/2" of water flow through a jacket I fabbed up on the top and bottom and end tanks. It looked a bit frankenstine but it allowed me to super cool the whole intercooler core with ice cold water rather than spraying it down with cold water between rounds
I did finally take it off the car as the "sweat" dripping off the intercooler on the track became an issue but it worked really well!!
if you fabbed a small "catch tray" this wouldn't be a problem.
air to air is MUCH less hassle on the street and with E85 you might not need air/water as long as you can get IAC close to ambient.
ford fooled around with a "super cooler" that used the ac to chill the "aftercooler" setup (air water intercooler with chilled water) but I don't think that would be worth the hassle either.
good info! good luck with your decision.
I've already committed to A2W. I have a belly pan on the car so i can get creative with the draining but honestly dont plan on it being an issue as i don't plan on running the pump until im in the burnout box.
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good deal
if you know anyone who needs a good air/water I have one laying around I'm not going to use
love your ride, been looking a Z cars or a porsche 944 to LS turbo
the 240 seems to have much more under hood room and would be cheaper to mod
if you know anyone who needs a good air/water I have one laying around I'm not going to use
love your ride, been looking a Z cars or a porsche 944 to LS turbo
the 240 seems to have much more under hood room and would be cheaper to mod
I had mentioned to you about buying my entire A2W set up. I haven't formally listed it for sale yet as I'm building a very large list of **** to put up. But this is what is on the list so far. I just copy/pasted it. Obviously price can be negotiated.
Entire Air 2 Water Intercooler Set Up:
Precision PT2000 A2W Intercooler: Price New $1899.99
4” racepartsolution.com V-bands with O-rings: Price New $113.80
Chisled 6 Gallon Tank with Rule2000 Pump (16”x9”x9”) w/1” NPT Female Fittings: Price New $305.00
(4) -16 AN to 1” NPT Fittings: New Price: $77.98
(4) 90* -16AN Hose Ends: Price New: $167.98
(1) 180* -16 Hose End: Price New: $58.97
(1) Straight -16 Hose End: Price New: 26.97
(1) -16 Bulk Head w/Nut: Price New: $10.94
33’ Earls Pro-Lite 350 -16 Hose: Price New: 467.97
Total Cost New: 3129.63
Price + Shipping + Paypal Fees: $2200.00
Entire Air 2 Water Intercooler Set Up:
Precision PT2000 A2W Intercooler: Price New $1899.99
4” racepartsolution.com V-bands with O-rings: Price New $113.80
Chisled 6 Gallon Tank with Rule2000 Pump (16”x9”x9”) w/1” NPT Female Fittings: Price New $305.00
(4) -16 AN to 1” NPT Fittings: New Price: $77.98
(4) 90* -16AN Hose Ends: Price New: $167.98
(1) 180* -16 Hose End: Price New: $58.97
(1) Straight -16 Hose End: Price New: 26.97
(1) -16 Bulk Head w/Nut: Price New: $10.94
33’ Earls Pro-Lite 350 -16 Hose: Price New: 467.97
Total Cost New: 3129.63
Price + Shipping + Paypal Fees: $2200.00
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I just dynotuned 7 DSMs tonight. (yes, ******* 7
) One was just not "right" Car looked perfect-t bolt clamps everywhere...shop built. A boost leak test found that over 15 psi it started pushing past a coupled joint in the charge pipe. At 30psi at the turbo it was a full heavy stream of air and only 20psi was getting to the motor. To the naked eye you would never have known there is an issue.Never assume!
This thinking is super flawed.
I just dynotuned 7 DSMs tonight. (yes, ******* 7) One was just not "right" Car looked perfect-t bolt clamps everywhere...shop built. A boost leak test found that over 15 psi it started pushing past a coupled joint in the charge pipe. At 30psi at the turbo it was a full heavy stream of air and only 20psi was getting to the motor. To the naked eye you would never have known there is an issue.
Never assume!
I just dynotuned 7 DSMs tonight. (yes, ******* 7
) One was just not "right" Car looked perfect-t bolt clamps everywhere...shop built. A boost leak test found that over 15 psi it started pushing past a coupled joint in the charge pipe. At 30psi at the turbo it was a full heavy stream of air and only 20psi was getting to the motor. To the naked eye you would never have known there is an issue.Never assume!
Along the same lines, i was on the dyno with a turbo integra that would even hit spring pressure.
The tbolt clamps were over tightened and stretched to the point they were tightened against them selves and not the piping.
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