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Eboost2 question I have an Eboost2 and an MS3 Gold box from EFI Source. I've called EFI Source and they aren't sure if the controller will work with the gold box. There is a reference wire that the gold box has that will see the boost voltage reference from the controller. But its a 0-5v signal range. I've called Turbosmart and am waiting for them to get back to me as the guy I spoke to in tech didn't know the answer either.
So, does anyone here know the voltage output range that the Eboost2 sends to the solenoid?
I really want to control the boost with a controller and have the gold box make the needed adjustments for the setting I ask for. I don't want to have to drive with a laptop in the passenger seat.
So, does anyone here know the voltage output range that the Eboost2 sends to the solenoid?
I really want to control the boost with a controller and have the gold box make the needed adjustments for the setting I ask for. I don't want to have to drive with a laptop in the passenger seat.
Originally I planned to use a Eboost 2 but now I went with the dial a boost ****. I chose this due to the fact it's cheaper & easier to change on the fly. Here's a video that Matt uploaded. Sorry I didn't have an answer.
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Yep, I've watched that video already and the Denmah video where he installed the same thing. But as far as I can tell you cant read what your doing unless you have the laptop sitting next to you. I really don't want to have to do that. And the video you posted here is WAAAAYYYY to complicated for me. I have no clue the crap he's talking about. I need a simple plug and play deal. That's why I am hoping I can use what I have. Hook it up and go. And let the MS3 do what it needs to. I am brand new to these things.
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I am trying to control boost levels with a controller and have the gold box know of the change and make all corrections needed to work for that level.
I want to be able to see the boost level setting on a gauge, like the Eboost comes with. I know or think that the gold box will control the boost for me without the Eboost being used at all. But I don't want to drive around with a laptop running at all times that I have to keep looking at in the passenger seat. A gauge in the dash would be much nicer and easier.
Mike at EFI source told me the gold box will get the boost reference like the dial talked about above. But there is no gauge to show me what's going on when I move the dial to a certain position. You need the laptop to see the readings.
Or am I overthinking this? As stated, this is all new to me. I am just trying to keep this truck very user friendly. Easy to set or make changes while I drive.
I want to be able to see the boost level setting on a gauge, like the Eboost comes with. I know or think that the gold box will control the boost for me without the Eboost being used at all. But I don't want to drive around with a laptop running at all times that I have to keep looking at in the passenger seat. A gauge in the dash would be much nicer and easier.
Mike at EFI source told me the gold box will get the boost reference like the dial talked about above. But there is no gauge to show me what's going on when I move the dial to a certain position. You need the laptop to see the readings.
Or am I overthinking this? As stated, this is all new to me. I am just trying to keep this truck very user friendly. Easy to set or make changes while I drive.
You can run the dial a boost/trim pot switch without the lap top. You set the parameters for each position in turner studio. I.E. You can set positions 1-4 for whatever your wastegate spring is at. 5-8 to a few more psi. Then 9-12 for whatever you'd like high boost to be. All you'd need to do is remember what psi you set for each number. And run a regular boost guage. That way you can see what psi your hitting. The gold box will already see it if your running a map. But if you already own the Eboost 2 why not run it on its own?
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That there might be the way to go. Run it alone and just let the gold box see it through the map. I just saw that you could run the boost controller through the box but it seems that not all will work with it.
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I am trying to control boost levels with a controller and have the gold box know of the change and make all corrections needed to work for that level.
I want to be able to see the boost level setting on a gauge, like the Eboost comes with. I know or think that the gold box will control the boost for me without the Eboost being used at all. But I don't want to drive around with a laptop running at all times that I have to keep looking at in the passenger seat. A gauge in the dash would be much nicer and easier.
Mike at EFI source told me the gold box will get the boost reference like the dial talked about above. But there is no gauge to show me what's going on when I move the dial to a certain position. You need the laptop to see the readings.
Or am I overthinking this? As stated, this is all new to me. I am just trying to keep this truck very user friendly. Easy to set or make changes while I drive.
I want to be able to see the boost level setting on a gauge, like the Eboost comes with. I know or think that the gold box will control the boost for me without the Eboost being used at all. But I don't want to drive around with a laptop running at all times that I have to keep looking at in the passenger seat. A gauge in the dash would be much nicer and easier.
Mike at EFI source told me the gold box will get the boost reference like the dial talked about above. But there is no gauge to show me what's going on when I move the dial to a certain position. You need the laptop to see the readings.
Or am I overthinking this? As stated, this is all new to me. I am just trying to keep this truck very user friendly. Easy to set or make changes while I drive.
Your ecu always knows what boost level you're running via the MAP sensor.
Again, what exactly are you trying to do or achieve here ?
What are you wanting to drive around looking at ?
I've really no idea what you're trying to do.
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As stated I am new to the turbos and the components that control all of it. So I am learning as I go.
I really don't know how much simpler to put this, I want to make a change on the fly, have the gold box know the change, and I see what its actually doing on the gauge.
And without an outside controller like Eboost, the changes (changes to boost setting) have to be made with the laptop. I don't want a laptop riding with me.
But it sounds like Nismo's plan will work and do what I want to do. I did not know how the gold box adjusts for different boost levels. Now I do. So I learned something today. Cool.
I really don't know how much simpler to put this, I want to make a change on the fly, have the gold box know the change, and I see what its actually doing on the gauge.
And without an outside controller like Eboost, the changes (changes to boost setting) have to be made with the laptop. I don't want a laptop riding with me.
But it sounds like Nismo's plan will work and do what I want to do. I did not know how the gold box adjusts for different boost levels. Now I do. So I learned something today. Cool.
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No, although it will, but only with changes through a laptop sitting in my passenger seat. That's what I don't want to have to do. Sure I can run a boost gauge in the dash and see my boost after its set in the laptop. But I want easy. Meaning I don't want to reach over to the laptop, go into settings, set the new boost level, save it and drive. I want to tap a controller button, up or down, make the change quick, see the setting I am wanting, then be able to see what I am actually running. AND know that the gold box is doing what it needs to. NO laptop required. I can make changes while driving down the road if I want. A laptop isn't that easy to work with while driving.
I thought, since I am new to all of this, that the ecm needs to know that I have increased boost levels or decreased it. So it could make the proper change in fuel and timing. BUT, it appears it will do this through the map reading on its own. So I am good with that and use use the eboost controller as a stand alone.
So here is the scenario. Which I just explained to my wife.
She is the Gold box (ecm ) and I am the eboost controller.
I am going to punch you in the tit, really hard. I thought I needed to tell you so that you can be ready to react to what I am about to do. BUT, you don't need to know. As soon as I punch you in the tit, your going to feel it and say ouch. Your level of the OUCH will be based on how hard I hit you. So you don't need to know how hard its going to be before it happens. Your going to react no matter what I do.
She laughed and got it. And no, I don't beat my wife. LOL
I thought, since I am new to all of this, that the ecm needs to know that I have increased boost levels or decreased it. So it could make the proper change in fuel and timing. BUT, it appears it will do this through the map reading on its own. So I am good with that and use use the eboost controller as a stand alone.
So here is the scenario. Which I just explained to my wife.
She is the Gold box (ecm ) and I am the eboost controller.
I am going to punch you in the tit, really hard. I thought I needed to tell you so that you can be ready to react to what I am about to do. BUT, you don't need to know. As soon as I punch you in the tit, your going to feel it and say ouch. Your level of the OUCH will be based on how hard I hit you. So you don't need to know how hard its going to be before it happens. Your going to react no matter what I do.
She laughed and got it. And no, I don't beat my wife. LOL
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If you're running the EBoost and change boost settings...as the ecu uses a MAP sensor as one of the main load parameters the ecu knows of this change and will be perfectly happy.
Obviously the engine will need tuned at all boost levels you intend to run, but once you have done this you can happily change up/down all day long if you like without worry.
If the ecu was controlling boost...I'd expect via a switch or something you could still have multiple boost levels selectable from the drivers seat without the need for a laptop. I've never used MS but the way some rant about how great it is....I'd like to think to can perform this very very basic task
Obviously the engine will need tuned at all boost levels you intend to run, but once you have done this you can happily change up/down all day long if you like without worry.
If the ecu was controlling boost...I'd expect via a switch or something you could still have multiple boost levels selectable from the drivers seat without the need for a laptop. I've never used MS but the way some rant about how great it is....I'd like to think to can perform this very very basic task
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To me, it sounds like what you want can easily be accomplished with the "Dial-a-boost" set up. That is very easy to configure and you will have several boost levels available on the fly. All the dial is doing is blending two tables, one table will essentially allow full flow through the boost solenoid giving you waste gate pressure and the other will keep the solenoid closed.
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I know what the dial a boost can do with presets in the ecm. But I am not wanting that. I prefer it to be a simple thing with endless/finer adjustment. I also don't want to have to remember what a certain setting will be with the turn of a ****. I like the Eboost for the fact that you see o the gauge what your setting is. Yea, its more expensive. But that's fine with me. I already have it so I might as well use it.
Well you are going to have to figure out what settings on the eboost2 make for boost on different springs. Depending on what I am doing I have 6lbs or 10lbs gate springs in, and this will result in different boost levels at the same duty cycle. I use a factory 411 PCM and run up to 26lbs of boost all through my eboost2 controller all by using different duty cycle numbers within the controller.
The eboost2 uses a duty cycle number that goes from 0-100.
So start slow and work your way up on the eboost2 settings, if you get aggressive and you make 25lbs and the computer isn't setup for correction or you aren't tuned for 25lbs you could damage something.
The eboost2 would be complete separate from the ECU and you don't need to hookup it to the ecu at all. Hook up the eboost2 separately from the gold box, put a 6lbs spring in your gate, and start turning the duty cycle up on the controller slowly and tune the car. Once you reach you desired boost level you are done.
If you are going to run 6 different set points (SP) in the eboost2 then set SP6 to your max boost level and then set 1-5 to different duty cycle intervals that generate the boost levels desired.
Do not forget to set the over-boost shutdown (OBS). I have mine set very high because I know how much boost the car will always make. I'd probably set the OBS to within 3-4lbs of your max boost due to spikes.
Read the instruction manual on the eboost2 has a lot of good information.
The eboost2 uses a duty cycle number that goes from 0-100.
So start slow and work your way up on the eboost2 settings, if you get aggressive and you make 25lbs and the computer isn't setup for correction or you aren't tuned for 25lbs you could damage something.
The eboost2 would be complete separate from the ECU and you don't need to hookup it to the ecu at all. Hook up the eboost2 separately from the gold box, put a 6lbs spring in your gate, and start turning the duty cycle up on the controller slowly and tune the car. Once you reach you desired boost level you are done.
If you are going to run 6 different set points (SP) in the eboost2 then set SP6 to your max boost level and then set 1-5 to different duty cycle intervals that generate the boost levels desired.
Do not forget to set the over-boost shutdown (OBS). I have mine set very high because I know how much boost the car will always make. I'd probably set the OBS to within 3-4lbs of your max boost due to spikes.
Read the instruction manual on the eboost2 has a lot of good information.
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Thanks for the info. It does help. Its my first time with this stuff, so I want to be safe.
I planed to build boost slowly and make track passes with it. After each pass check the data and see if I need to make any changes and then when that ones right, move to the next level. I will need someone that's decent at tuning to help when that time comes. I really prefer not to put it on a dyno to do this but I guess I will if there is no option for getting someone to the track. The good thing is the gold box is self learning as well, so I think once I get the levels base lines set and I am happy with them, then the box should make minor adjustments as needed for air/climate changes. Plus I am running the knock sensors as well so if it does start to get out of line, then it will save it.
I planed to build boost slowly and make track passes with it. After each pass check the data and see if I need to make any changes and then when that ones right, move to the next level. I will need someone that's decent at tuning to help when that time comes. I really prefer not to put it on a dyno to do this but I guess I will if there is no option for getting someone to the track. The good thing is the gold box is self learning as well, so I think once I get the levels base lines set and I am happy with them, then the box should make minor adjustments as needed for air/climate changes. Plus I am running the knock sensors as well so if it does start to get out of line, then it will save it.