All these on3 ball sucking threads.
All the people that aren't having issues are out melting tires. You're not gonna hear about the 99% that are issue free, just the 1% will make threads. I recently had some issues with China turbos, but I'm almost certain it was my fault, so I'm fixing what I believe to be the problem, and giving it another try!
You have to realize Chinese don't come up with their own ****. They are some of the best reverse engineers in the world. They copy a well known performing turbo and are damn good at it. Not saying their turbos are bad but it's kinda sad how some of you have no problem supporting China over our own men and women in this country.
TECH Junkie
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 3,012
Likes: 48
You have to realize Chinese don't come up with their own ****. They are some of the best reverse engineers in the world. They copy a well known performing turbo and are damn good at it. Not saying their turbos are bad but it's kinda sad how some of you have no problem supporting China over our own men and women in this country.
Still don't understand why someone would buy a cheap China turbo over a moderately priced BW or TN unit. Yeah they cost a little more but parts, maps and customer support are readily available and local. I've seen a lot of china turbos take a **** and no one knows about it because they are just thrown away and replaced. I too laugh at these oh it only made 50whp less threads...
I've said it a hundred times. The LS motor is the new B series. The amount of half assed build threads out there with the whole "good enough" mentality is overwhelming. However.. It's not my car so whatever.
I've said it a hundred times. The LS motor is the new B series. The amount of half assed build threads out there with the whole "good enough" mentality is overwhelming. However.. It's not my car so whatever.
TECH Junkie
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 3,012
Likes: 48
Still don't understand why someone would buy a cheap China turbo over a moderately priced BW or TN unit. Yeah they cost a little more but parts, maps and customer support are readily available and local. I've seen a lot of china turbos take a **** and no one knows about it because they are just thrown away and replaced. I too laugh at these oh it only made 50whp less threads...
I've said it a hundred times. The LS motor is the new B series. The amount of half assed build threads out there with the whole "good enough" mentality is overwhelming. However.. It's not my car so whatever.
I've said it a hundred times. The LS motor is the new B series. The amount of half assed build threads out there with the whole "good enough" mentality is overwhelming. However.. It's not my car so whatever.
Precision isn't the only US company out there. So you don't care where your money goes? So I'm not sure what you do for a living but how would you feel if your boss doesn't need you anymore because Mexico or China can do your job for a fraction of the cost. Continue to support china and see if they support you.
Restricted User
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 7,192
Likes: 109
From: Ohio
The majority of the cash goes to whichever US vendor is selling them, and since they most likely move higher volume (from lower prices), revenue generated for the US is probably close to the same. The only difference being that China sees a portion of it.
No, they don't do their own R&D. They are contracted by a US company (most times) to do nothing more than manufacture. They simply make what they are told to.
Take Speedmaster for example. California based company. They send China a product and say they want 1000 of them. China ships them to them a X cost, and Speedmaster sells them at 4X. 75% of the revenue goes to a US company. Don't blame China. Blame companies like Speedmaster that go out and buy someone else's product and ask the Chinese to produce them.
Don't forget, Borg Warner has made almost 2 million turbos IN CHINA. Garret is now based in China. Companies like Precision produce something half as reliable at twice the cost. You can't blame someone for wanting a Chinese made product.
If their stuff was so horrible, their country would be falling apart, not on the fast track to embarrassing us economically, educationally, and technologically. Get over it.
No, they don't do their own R&D. They are contracted by a US company (most times) to do nothing more than manufacture. They simply make what they are told to.
Take Speedmaster for example. California based company. They send China a product and say they want 1000 of them. China ships them to them a X cost, and Speedmaster sells them at 4X. 75% of the revenue goes to a US company. Don't blame China. Blame companies like Speedmaster that go out and buy someone else's product and ask the Chinese to produce them.
Don't forget, Borg Warner has made almost 2 million turbos IN CHINA. Garret is now based in China. Companies like Precision produce something half as reliable at twice the cost. You can't blame someone for wanting a Chinese made product.
If their stuff was so horrible, their country would be falling apart, not on the fast track to embarrassing us economically, educationally, and technologically. Get over it.
LS1 Tech Stories
The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them
Pouria Savadkouei
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked
Pouria Savadkouei
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP
Verdad Gallardo
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes
Verdad Gallardo
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power
Verdad Gallardo
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die
Verdad Gallardo
Originally Posted by Game ova
Sure you're right "I've seen a lot of them thrown away". Some of us have underhood real estate restrictions, so brog warner is definately out of the picture. But hey, if 40rwhp is worth, $1600 to you especially for a known suspect quality unit.....then you go ahead and be that guy. Just trying to figure out how a decently priced/performing turbo suddenly makes you build/vehicle "half *****". I guess we should all be idiots and continue to give precision our money so we can have vehicles that are "done right". Love that logic.
As far as the BW being made in China comments goes, I get that and it's not a secret. I never said "Buy American only yeha!" I said spend a little extra cash and buy a known, reliable well functioning turbo. MOST of the time the guys that want a "cheap" turbo have relatively "low" HP goals. Chances are you can find a better quality turbo that performs just a little better for not a ton more. Also if you are one of those guys shooting for big power on China turbos well then I'll just stop there. My .02 anyways.
TECH Fanatic
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 1,163
Likes: 16
From: Avon, Ohio
In my opinion the most "American" turbo on the market is Garrett. Yes, some of their large parts (SOME housings, not all) are cast overseas, but the bulk of their assembles are manufactured, tested and assembled in t he US. They are also IMO the best turbo on the market for 90% of applications and still to this day the largest OE supplier on earth.
TECH Junkie
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 3,012
Likes: 48
Name a known BW "suspect unit." if you read my post properly I suggested replacing the turbo with a BORG WARNER.. Not a precision unit. And please don't talk to me about "underhood real estate issues" if anyone in this section knows what thats like its me.
As far as the BW being made in China comments goes, I get that and it's not a secret. I never said "Buy American only yeha!" I said spend a little extra cash and buy a known, reliable well functioning turbo. MOST of the time the guys that want a "cheap" turbo have relatively "low" HP goals. Chances are you can find a better quality turbo that performs just a little better for not a ton more. Also if you are one of those guys shooting for big power on China turbos well then I'll just stop there. My .02 anyways.
As far as the BW being made in China comments goes, I get that and it's not a secret. I never said "Buy American only yeha!" I said spend a little extra cash and buy a known, reliable well functioning turbo. MOST of the time the guys that want a "cheap" turbo have relatively "low" HP goals. Chances are you can find a better quality turbo that performs just a little better for not a ton more. Also if you are one of those guys shooting for big power on China turbos well then I'll just stop there. My .02 anyways.
TECH Enthusiast
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 531
Likes: 0
From: Land Of Enchantment
Glad my car will be a BW car.
TECH Junkie
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 3,012
Likes: 48
Borg warner is fine for people that have near unlimited room, as their turbos are massive. I have no experience with them, so I can't speak to their quality....or power making abilities. I just know that the typical non racecar f body isn't going to have any use for a borg warner.
T60 series Turbonetics Turbos. The compressor housings are small and you can get up to a 72 or 73mm blade in there IIRC. They are the same exact size as the old master power T61 series which was a garret knock off. Ive never had an issue with my TN units. Just another option if size is of concern.
TECH Junkie
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 3,012
Likes: 48
T60 series Turbonetics Turbos. The compressor housings are small and you can get up to a 72 or 73mm blade in there IIRC. They are the same exact size as the old master power T61 series which was a garret knock off. Ive never had an issue with my TN units. Just another option if size is of concern.
Originally Posted by Game ova
Kinda small for a 6.0 don't ya think?