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Old Oct 17, 2016 | 10:08 PM
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ok just got the car running again from being down about 8 months. Take it out and I hear this flutter sound. I'm thinking it's compressor surge. It's a 98 camaro with a d1sc was tuned for 5 lbs of boost, while it was down I changed the pulley to a smaller pulley
Would this cause that? It's running I believe 9 lbs now. I have checked the plumbing to the BOVs grey seem to be working on and off. They are Tial Q 50mm and I'm running 2. What else to check? Could it be the BOV because it's not a bypass valve?
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Are the blowoff valves receiving vacuum signal?

What valves are they?
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Are the blowoff valves receiving vacuum signal?

What valves are they?
They are the Tial Q 50mm it's getting vacuum I believe when the car is running they are open. Go into boost they close but I'm not sure if they close all they way
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Old Oct 18, 2016 | 09:44 AM
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When do you hear the flutter? Also have you removed your BOV's to inspect? I would take them apart and give them a quick cleaning to make sure they aren't binding.
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Old Oct 19, 2016 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by chevybayboy
They are the Tial Q 50mm it's getting vacuum I believe when the car is running they are open. Go into boost they close but I'm not sure if they close all they way
Where are you sourcing vacuum from?

put a gauge on the vacuum source and make sure that they're getting adequate vacuum. Make sure the o ring at the bottom of the piston or the seal for the BOV to the charge pipe didn't get pinched.


Just curious to why you need 2 valves? One should be adequate, what spring is in the valve?
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Old Oct 19, 2016 | 07:02 AM
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It's simple.

Are your BOV's open at idle ?

If not, then chances are they are not appropriate for your application. Use something intended for a supercharger application or if you can alter/swap internal springs to allow it to open more easily, try that.
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Where are you sourcing vacuum from?

put a gauge on the vacuum source and make sure that they're getting adequate vacuum. Make sure the o ring at the bottom of the piston or the seal for the BOV to the charge pipe didn't get pinched.


Just curious to why you need 2 valves? One should be adequate, what spring is in the valve?
ok I'll get a gauge on it. I'm running the -2 supercharged spring. I'm running 2 because the setup I bought was made for duals
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Old Oct 19, 2016 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
It's simple.

Are your BOV's open at idle ?

If not, then chances are they are not appropriate for your application. Use something intended for a supercharger application or if you can alter/swap internal springs to allow it to open more easily, try that.
Yes they are open at idle. I have the lightest spring in there. The just don't close all the way once it goes into boost
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Old Oct 19, 2016 | 11:00 AM
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IMO buy something from Vortech, or Procharger that is designed for the your usage.

ALthough the actual could depend on the noise you're hearing.

Valve open under load, certainly not good for performance etc.....but lots of fluttering from a valve never opening could be harmful to the blower, although this would be more apparent coming down the rpm with your foot off the throttle.
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Yes they are open at idle. I have the lightest spring in there. The just don't close all the way once it goes into boost
That's two different problems you're describing then.

Not opening would cause compressor surge/flutter, not closing would not make any boost or very little for that matter.

open at idle is normal, should shut when you crack the throttle.
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That's two different problems you're describing then.

Not opening would cause compressor surge/flutter, not closing would not make any boost or very little for that matter.

open at idle is normal, should shut when you crack the throttle.
I see maybe they don't open quick enough? I posted a video
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Old Oct 19, 2016 | 11:56 AM
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So explain properly.

Is the noise when the throttle is open, ie under power, or when the throttle is closed ?
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
So explain properly.

Is the noise when the throttle is open, ie under power, or when the throttle is closed ?
Ok so at idle valves are open you can hear them pushing air when I get on throttle. They close its builds boost when I shift gears. Letting off throttle to go into next gear that's when it happens only in the higher rmp range 4k that's the highest I took it. Then it made that flutter.
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Old Oct 19, 2016 | 12:43 PM
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So you are not venting enough air.

Simple solution, fit a valve that is intended for the application, and ensure any pipework leading to it is adequate.

The Tial at 50mm should be ok...so maybe it isnt opening at all even though you think it is ?
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
So you are not venting enough air.

Simple solution, fit a valve that is intended for the application, and ensure any pipework leading to it is adequate.

The Tial at 50mm should be ok...so maybe it isnt opening at all even though you think it is ?
When it's running I can see them open. When I have someone hit the throttle they start closing. I have 2 tial so it should be venting enough air?
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Should....if were operating correctly.

Clearly they are not.

So if the valves are working physically if you test them..then somehow you have not plumbed them up correctly.
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
Should....if were operating correctly.

Clearly they are not.

So if the valves are working physically if you test them..then somehow you have not plumbed them up correctly.
Ok I'll go over everything again and see what's going on. I'm going to put a gauge on it see what it's reading
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Originally Posted by chevybayboy
Ok I'll go over everything again and see what's going on. I'm going to put a gauge on it see what it's reading
I'm wondering if they're not seeing enough vacuum to open at the throttle closing.
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Problem fixed!! Hooked it up to brake booster open and close when it needs to. Builds boost quicker and even feels faster no more flutter
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