I need options on cam specs from some experts
#1
I need options on cam specs from some experts
Motor ERL LS7 434 cube inches , 4.160 bore, 6 bolt lsx heads flowed real good right at 400 cfm , twin turbo SXE 369 with a bigger wheel from reed at works turbo , any input will help I want it to mainly be street driven but also gonna see the track ,
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
Last edited by 1500HP; 05-29-2017 at 04:33 PM.
#2
There are no experts here.
You've put together some fine pieces. I recommend you call and speak to a real cam expert. Straub Tech, CaMotion, there are a few others I can't think of at the moment. Maybe someone else here can name a few others.
Anyway, a competent cam designer will take all your desires and parameters into account and make something that specifically suits your build and goals.
If they don't ask for your head flow data, call someone else.
You've put together some fine pieces. I recommend you call and speak to a real cam expert. Straub Tech, CaMotion, there are a few others I can't think of at the moment. Maybe someone else here can name a few others.
Anyway, a competent cam designer will take all your desires and parameters into account and make something that specifically suits your build and goals.
If they don't ask for your head flow data, call someone else.
#3
There are no experts here.
You've put together some fine pieces. I recommend you call and speak to a real cam expert. Straub Tech, CaMotion, there are a few others I can't think of at the moment. Maybe someone else here can name a few others.
Anyway, a competent cam designer will take all your desires and parameters into account and make something that specifically suits your build and goals.
If they don't ask for your head flow data, call someone else.
You've put together some fine pieces. I recommend you call and speak to a real cam expert. Straub Tech, CaMotion, there are a few others I can't think of at the moment. Maybe someone else here can name a few others.
Anyway, a competent cam designer will take all your desires and parameters into account and make something that specifically suits your build and goals.
If they don't ask for your head flow data, call someone else.
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Another option is to call Lil John he works some majic on turbo combinations:
https://www.liljohnsmotorsports.com/
https://www.liljohnsmotorsports.com/
#10
A couple years back, I put together a spreadsheet for port velocities to help myself better understand another random inquisition I was following up on at the time. I mention this, as a precursor to what I'm about to say, because I believe it's accurate information, however it's something I put together years ago and it's not calculations that are fresh in my mind.
Anyway, it appears those heads, on that specific engine, would be best suited to, and capable of supporting, a peak RPM of just over 8000! Not street cam territory. So, IMO, any street friendly cam you use will be a detriment to what the existing parts combination is calling for.
Now, that's just my opinion and doesn't mean much. Because, it's what you have... Unless you plan to get a smaller port head that's better suited to the application and RPM range you're likely to utilize in a street driven car. Which I doubt is something you'll consider doing, but who knows?
This is a primary case where a competent cam designer can make the most out of your existing combination for your intended use. He'll be able to maximize the valve timing events and ramp rates to account for, and take advantage of, the (reduced) port velocity.
If you just want an off the shelf option, they're all going to be short of stellar and ultimately a compromise... Not a bad thing really. It opens the door to choose pretty much any cam you want. Just pick one that operates in the rpm region you expect to use. Something in the 230-240º intake duration neighborhood may, perhaps be a good balance, giving you a taste of what the heads are capable of, while still being streetable if your gearing isn't too tall.
Anyway, my $0.02. Does any of it seem off to any of you other guys?
Anyway, it appears those heads, on that specific engine, would be best suited to, and capable of supporting, a peak RPM of just over 8000! Not street cam territory. So, IMO, any street friendly cam you use will be a detriment to what the existing parts combination is calling for.
Now, that's just my opinion and doesn't mean much. Because, it's what you have... Unless you plan to get a smaller port head that's better suited to the application and RPM range you're likely to utilize in a street driven car. Which I doubt is something you'll consider doing, but who knows?
This is a primary case where a competent cam designer can make the most out of your existing combination for your intended use. He'll be able to maximize the valve timing events and ramp rates to account for, and take advantage of, the (reduced) port velocity.
If you just want an off the shelf option, they're all going to be short of stellar and ultimately a compromise... Not a bad thing really. It opens the door to choose pretty much any cam you want. Just pick one that operates in the rpm region you expect to use. Something in the 230-240º intake duration neighborhood may, perhaps be a good balance, giving you a taste of what the heads are capable of, while still being streetable if your gearing isn't too tall.
Anyway, my $0.02. Does any of it seem off to any of you other guys?
Last edited by SethU; 06-01-2017 at 02:26 PM.
#12
z I had a vary similar combo to this same heads , only real difference , is I had 91 mm single turbo thru a 4L80 on pump gas made 1180 RWhp hardly no timing 16 degreess
Had a lot more in it , so with better tech and Twins should be nasty
Had a lot more in it , so with better tech and Twins should be nasty
#13
Another option is to call Lil John he works some majic on turbo combinations:
https://www.liljohnsmotorsports.com/
https://www.liljohnsmotorsports.com/
#14
I didn't want to say it earlier, but there you go. Given the build, and for a custom grind, I'd personally want to deal directly with the cam designer. Not necessarily to to cut out the middle man dollar wise (you'll likely pay the same price dealing direct anyway), but more to ensure details are relayed accurately and any questions in either direction can be addressed adequately and competently.
He's gonna need pretty much every detail about the build except for maybe the brand of bearings and bolts you used. It's tedious to provide all of it, but time well spent.
In any case, good luck with the build.
He's gonna need pretty much every detail about the build except for maybe the brand of bearings and bolts you used. It's tedious to provide all of it, but time well spent.
In any case, good luck with the build.
#15
I didn't want to say it earlier, but there you go. Given the build, and for a custom grind, I'd personally want to deal directly with the cam designer. Not necessarily to to cut out the middle man dollar wise (you'll likely pay the same price dealing direct anyway), but more to ensure details are relayed accurately and any questions in either direction can be addressed adequately and competently.
He's gonna need pretty much every detail about the build except for maybe the brand of bearings and bolts you used. It's tedious to provide all of it, but time well spent.
In any case, good luck with the build.
He's gonna need pretty much every detail about the build except for maybe the brand of bearings and bolts you used. It's tedious to provide all of it, but time well spent.
In any case, good luck with the build.
1st. selecting the proper events to make the motor work like it should.
2nd. Getting the proper lobes to keep the valvetain happy and stable.
The two are not mutually exclusive. There are plenty of guys in this country who are more than capable of getting the proper events needed for the engine, but do not design lobes.
#16
There are 2 aspects to a camshaft.
1st. selecting the proper events to make the motor work like it should.
2nd. Getting the proper lobes to keep the valvetain happy and stable.
The two are not mutually exclusive. There are plenty of guys in this country who are more than capable of getting the proper events needed for the engine, but do not design lobes.
1st. selecting the proper events to make the motor work like it should.
2nd. Getting the proper lobes to keep the valvetain happy and stable.
The two are not mutually exclusive. There are plenty of guys in this country who are more than capable of getting the proper events needed for the engine, but do not design lobes.
Not that I'm saying anything you don't know.
You don't design lobes, do you?
#17
This is an easier group of people to find. And John and Martin both understand their craft very well. Both also have had lobes made to meet their own criteria.