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Old Feb 28, 2018 | 01:08 PM
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You guys that are pushing 12+ PSI using 93 without meth, do you use any type of fuel treatment with each tank?
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Old Feb 28, 2018 | 01:20 PM
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12psi can mean a lot of different things. We are going to need more info. In my opinion, its never worth it to try and get away with crap fuel.
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Old Feb 28, 2018 | 01:53 PM
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12psi can mean a lot of different things. We are going to need more info. In my opinion, its never worth it to try and get away with crap fuel.
^^^^^^ agree. 12 psi with a small turbo is different than 12 psi with a huge turbo. Engine size also makes a difference.

But to answer your question, no i do not put any additives in my gas. The producers put plenty in there already. Maybe if theres something that will for sure raise the octane i would but imo its not worth my time to research
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Old Feb 28, 2018 | 02:58 PM
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I ran a 76 mm on a 383 with just 93 up to about 15 psi but added meth before going any higher.
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Old Feb 28, 2018 | 03:37 PM
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As said, there a bunch of things that go into how much "boost" you can run on pump. Your really worried about detonation, but that is tied things like IAT, compression, cam, RPM..... I used to run 25 on my DSM before I started with meth. I have run 15 on stockish 5.3's. I dont doubt one bit that you could run 20+ on the right combo (big cam, lowish compression, high RPM) And no, dont run fuel treatments..... too hard to keep the % consistent.
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Old Feb 28, 2018 | 04:25 PM
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No issues with 25+psi on 93/M

So perhaps give more details about what you propose or wish to do.

Why are there so many posts asking vague questions on here recently ?
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Old Feb 28, 2018 | 06:31 PM
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I would say to keep timing at peak you should start running meth at 12 psi. If u use more boost u will have to lower timing and probably not make any more power than at 12 psi and peak timing. In other words you can run more boost but probably not make more power.
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Old Feb 28, 2018 | 06:35 PM
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Sorry fellas for being vague, but thanks for the post so far.

It's a 376 with forged internals and 10.1. Made 17psi thru an F1A on pump 85. I have a flex fuel sensor and the car seems to run better on 93, but I've not had a chance to dig into the logs yet, to see how the engine is liking it. The seat of the pants, she seems to love pump 93 much better.
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Much better than E? What content is your E showing when you have good E in it?

What are you tuning/running this with? Stock ecm, MS, Holley?
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Old Feb 28, 2018 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rpturbo
Much better than E? What content is your E showing when you have good E in it?

What are you tuning/running this with? Stock ecm, MS, Holley?
79 percent from the pump. Stock ECM
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If it’s running better on 93 than e86 something is wrong. My car is flex fuel and it’s just the opposite. Doesn’t run bad on 93 but with a full tank of E it’s runs so much better.

Without meth I ran the car on 93 at 700whp before I added it. Car makes 850-860 on 93/meth and 932 on e85.
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Originally Posted by Detoxx03
If it’s running better on 93 than e86 something is wrong. My car is flex fuel and it’s just the opposite. Doesn’t run bad on 93 but with a full tank of E it’s runs so much better.

Without meth I ran the car on 93 at 700whp before I added it. Car makes 850-860 on 93/meth and 932 on e85.
I agree...most likely tune related. Do you know what your peak timing was when you were making 700 rwhp on 93?
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I agree...most likely tune related. Do you know what your peak timing was when you were making 700 rwhp on 93?
Man that was so long ago I don’t remember.

I know now it’s 14 on 93/meth and 16 on e85. We can get crazier on corn but no need to right now. Atleast we know there is plenty room left.
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Straight 93 no meth and 15psi or 700w I'd start at 10 degrees and read the plugs.
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Thanks guys. I'm at 9 psi now with peak timing of 13 on 93. AFR in boost is low 11's and 82ish% duty cycle on the injectors. This is with a 4.25" blower pulley thinking I will go with a 4.1" pulley soon so maybe 11 psi? I'll take out a couple degrees at that point and watch it close.
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It certainly makes more power and the responsiveness is great on E85, but driveability is night and day better with 93. Without any tuning changes, the car goes into gear smoother, starts up better, and is smoother driving on the highway. I've been chasing a dead spot in my pedal and based off of feel alone it seems a little better with 93. The odd part is the dead spot is not showing up on the logs, but I can feel it in my foot and can get it to do it most of the time.
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Originally Posted by BCNUL8R


I agree...most likely tune related. Do you know what your peak timing was when you were making 700 rwhp on 93?
How much meth does it use? Gallon per tank, a couple gallons a month......?
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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BCNUL8R
Thanks guys. I'm at 9 psi now with peak timing of 13 on 93. AFR in boost is low 11's and 82ish% duty cycle on the injectors. This is with a 4.25" blower pulley thinking I will go with a 4.1" pulley soon so maybe 11 psi? I'll take out a couple degrees at that point and watch it close.
What rib pulley?
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Originally Posted by se7en82
What rib pulley?
8 rib 7.65" crank and 4.25 blower no meth 93 only.
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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 05:07 PM
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Ok. If you had a 12 rib I was going to see if you wanted to trade
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