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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 04:48 PM
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do you know what part of town or brand that gas was?
ive been happy since i decided to only buy from shell.
my pickup has seen 14-20psi for years without tune mods and my timing is pretty aggressive, especially compared to what you have said you use here. i dont even start pulling timing until about 6psi.
i guess i could have driven through some bad gas as long as the pcm has compensated for it. it would be cool if GMs had the same sort of indicator that the evos have with the blinking cel on knock.
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 04:55 PM
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I think it was a range of BP, 7-11, racetrac. I don't recall if shell was in there or not. The light is cool. Would be good to have a cheap and easy indicator without buying a scan gauge or something.
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 04:58 PM
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Too bad HP tuners did away with user configurable outputs, that'd be easy money. Maybe you could tie into the sensors themselves an do an arduino thing? Beyond my dedication level.
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
A buddy went to half a dozen local pumps and pulled 93 octane and had it tested and the variation was NOT good.
How does one get fuel tested ?


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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
How does one get fuel tested ?
It was a couple years ago. I believe he had a test kit.
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 07:35 PM
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specific gravity maybe?

i wonder if my aeroforce gauge thingy will do the light flashing thing...ill have to check that out.
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 07:53 PM
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Those are neat gauges. I have an Ultragauge on the SS I picked up for 50 bucks...but it's not GM specific so doesn't monitor knock unfortunately.
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TrendSetter
specific gravity maybe?

i wonder if my aeroforce gauge thingy will do the light flashing thing...ill have to check that out.
You can select warnings on any of the things it displays and flashes if it goes over or under your setpoint. I have my aeroforce interceptor scangauge reading afr from my wideband and flashes if higher than 12.0 while full throttle
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Old Jul 17, 2018 | 03:38 PM
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Regarding the OEM approach to keeping OEM turbo applications together: I opened the scanner on my girlfriends 2013 Escape with the ecoboost 1.4 I believe is the displacement... I can see next to nothing parameter wise in the channels when scanning her car.

I wanted to see what the OEM tune is on that thing to confirm what we have talked about above regarding the AFR being in the 10s and the timing probably still being conservative. I'm guessing HPTuners just doesn't support that vehicle much which is why I can see hardly any parameters in the channel list when scanning it.

Anyone with HPtuners know how to make the scanner pick up more channels including the factory wideband on that thing?
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Old Jul 17, 2018 | 04:01 PM
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Hmm.. IIRC didn't the Cadillac cars have a setup where they went in to heavy VDT mode to survive overheating,, they were advertising a while back that the car could go over 100 miles with no coolant .. It pulled fuel injection cycles out and skipped cylinders a lot to protect the motor..
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Old Jul 17, 2018 | 07:41 PM
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omg those poor engineers responsible for that
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omg those poor engineers responsible for that
Dont you dare feel sorry for them. They do stupid stuff all the time. Like when I had a 98 Malibu LS and had to remove a motor mount and Jack the engine up to replace the serpentine belt. Freaking stupid.
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Old Jul 17, 2018 | 08:31 PM
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ah cadillac, home of the water cooled alternator.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
Dont you dare feel sorry for them. They do stupid stuff all the time. Like when I had a 98 Malibu LS and had to remove a motor mount and Jack the engine up to replace the serpentine belt. Freaking stupid.
Yeah that list of stupid things is LONG!!!!! They should be REQUIRED to work as a mechanic for at least 4 years before they can even design a lawn mower!
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Old Jul 17, 2018 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ElQueFør
Regarding the OEM approach to keeping OEM turbo applications together: I opened the scanner on my girlfriends 2013 Escape with the ecoboost 1.4 I believe is the displacement... I can see next to nothing parameter wise in the channels when scanning her car.

I wanted to see what the OEM tune is on that thing to confirm what we have talked about above regarding the AFR being in the 10s and the timing probably still being conservative. I'm guessing HPTuners just doesn't support that vehicle much which is why I can see hardly any parameters in the channel list when scanning it.

Anyone with HPtuners know how to make the scanner pick up more channels including the factory wideband on that thing?
yes I believe the parameters are just not supported at this time, but have you tried the newest version? Supposedly they update something every day.

I was working at a Ford dealer so I was using Ford's IDS and could see anything. You could go in the tune and see what it is commanding, but from what I've seen a Ford calibration is like trying to read Japanese vs Chevy being English

Edit- 13 ecoboost escape should be a 1.6L
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Old Jul 18, 2018 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
Dont you dare feel sorry for them. They do stupid stuff all the time. Like when I had a 98 Malibu LS and had to remove a motor mount and Jack the engine up to replace the serpentine belt. Freaking stupid.
Agreed. I find myself cursing the decision of an engineer or engineers far more often than I find myself praising them thinking "wow! What a good idea that just makes sense!" One of my college roomates became a mechanical engineer. At the time he was taking advanced thermodynamics where the studied heat transfer. He could talk about all these complex equations dealing with heat transfer yet one time he asked me......... "How does a radiator in a car work?" Gee mr Whizbang engineer, why don't you tell me! The disconnect between theoretical facts and the regurgitation of them VS real world knowledge/experience/skill/ability is something that MUST be exhibited in MANY engineers.


Originally Posted by Lsxford
yes I believe the parameters are just not supported at this time, but have you tried the newest version? Supposedly they update something every day.

I was working at a Ford dealer so I was using Ford's IDS and could see anything. You could go in the tune and see what it is commanding, but from what I've seen a Ford calibration is like trying to read Japanese vs Chevy being English

Edit- 13 ecoboost escape should be a 1.6L
Yeah the newest version still scans almost nothing parameter wise.
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Old Jul 18, 2018 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
That's fair. And my twist is that if its tuned for MBT timing, you leave no margin for a bad tank of gas or high IAT/heat soak. Also less margin should fuel pressure drop for whatever reason.
I agree with this. I changed both fuel pumps a few months ago, and forgot to ground the 2nd pump. Went to stand in it, and it was a horrid feeling when it shut down, didn't hurt a thing though. I'm sure if it had any real timing (especially around max torque), things would have been different.
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Old Jul 18, 2018 | 02:31 PM
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Some good reading here,except for that one guy.

11 psi, pump 91, cheap intercooler, 15 degrees, AZ, sounds like it was on the edge.

To your E85 question, I've been researching and talking to my tuner buddy, and for my cammed SBE combo I plan to run max of 11 degrees on E85.
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