What makes you pick a single or twin setup?
01-03-2019, 08:40 AM
#43
Theres a million records for this that and the other. And other exceptions like packaging may be easier for twin smaller turbos rather then one big one on rear engine cars like lambos....same kinda goes for vettes. Fastest manual LS has the ******* twins in front of the windshield and worked his *** off to get ahead of the single turbo car that held the record for a while. Come on bro........
And whatever that blue Camaro worked way longer at trying to be fast and was never consistent, **** would run great one pass and either blow up or run slow the next pass. Least the vette makes a shitty pass and still runs 8's and he built the car and set the record in about a year. Probably why the Camaro is for sale realized he cant be consistent, damn thing never even went straight whoever buys it needs to take it to a chassis guy or something.
01-03-2019, 08:48 AM
#44
True, gotta do something at work.
So I give you 7 twin turbo records and you cant provide one single turbo record?
And whatever that blue Camaro worked way longer at trying to be fast and was never consistent, **** would run great one pass and either blow up or run slow the next pass. Least the vette makes a shitty pass and still runs 8's and he built the car and set the record in about a year. Probably why the Camaro is for sale realized he cant be consistent, damn thing never even went straight whoever buys it needs to take it to a chassis guy or something.
So I give you 7 twin turbo records and you cant provide one single turbo record?
And whatever that blue Camaro worked way longer at trying to be fast and was never consistent, **** would run great one pass and either blow up or run slow the next pass. Least the vette makes a shitty pass and still runs 8's and he built the car and set the record in about a year. Probably why the Camaro is for sale realized he cant be consistent, damn thing never even went straight whoever buys it needs to take it to a chassis guy or something.
Not really into the car, but I admit, this pass looked nice.
01-03-2019, 09:29 AM
#45
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True, gotta do something at work.
So I give you 7 twin turbo records and you cant provide one single turbo record?
And whatever that blue Camaro worked way longer at trying to be fast and was never consistent, **** would run great one pass and either blow up or run slow the next pass. Least the vette makes a shitty pass and still runs 8's and he built the car and set the record in about a year. Probably why the Camaro is for sale realized he cant be consistent, damn thing never even went straight whoever buys it needs to take it to a chassis guy or something.
So I give you 7 twin turbo records and you cant provide one single turbo record?
And whatever that blue Camaro worked way longer at trying to be fast and was never consistent, **** would run great one pass and either blow up or run slow the next pass. Least the vette makes a shitty pass and still runs 8's and he built the car and set the record in about a year. Probably why the Camaro is for sale realized he cant be consistent, damn thing never even went straight whoever buys it needs to take it to a chassis guy or something.
That being said, twins are going to be faster. The reason everyone sees singles as faster is usually because of class rules. A lot of Street and Outlaw classes only allowed singles for years. Guys started getting deep into the 7s on a single 76mm. 1/8th saw them creep super far down into the 4s with a larger turbo.
Twins will always have more power potential, but we're talking about abnormal circumstances. For basically any 'street' sized twins, there will be a single out there able to make more power. Its only beyond that point that it becomes apparent, twins have more potential.
01-03-2019, 12:52 PM
#46
Talking about this car? This stunt he pulled looks cool and all, but he got VERY lucky. Surprised he hasn't wrecked it yet.
Not really into the car, but I admit, this pass looked nice.
https://youtu.be/_Jp7-fEW4ZA
Not really into the car, but I admit, this pass looked nice.
https://youtu.be/_Jp7-fEW4ZA
He didn't build the car, he barely worked on it, and he has WAY more money in it than Ray had in his Camaro.
That being said, twins are going to be faster. The reason everyone sees singles as faster is usually because of class rules. A lot of Street and Outlaw classes only allowed singles for years. Guys started getting deep into the 7s on a single 76mm. 1/8th saw them creep super far down into the 4s with a larger turbo.
Twins will always have more power potential, but we're talking about abnormal circumstances. For basically any 'street' sized twins, there will be a single out there able to make more power. Its only beyond that point that it becomes apparent, twins have more potential.
That being said, twins are going to be faster. The reason everyone sees singles as faster is usually because of class rules. A lot of Street and Outlaw classes only allowed singles for years. Guys started getting deep into the 7s on a single 76mm. 1/8th saw them creep super far down into the 4s with a larger turbo.
Twins will always have more power potential, but we're talking about abnormal circumstances. For basically any 'street' sized twins, there will be a single out there able to make more power. Its only beyond that point that it becomes apparent, twins have more potential.
Single vs twin comes down to price point as well, the singles that can make big power are $4k+. When you can get $1500-2000 worth of twins and make good power its appealing to some people on a budget, they can then use that money to build an engine that can handle it. I'm sure the people spending $4k+ on a turbo aren't worried about what the engine invoice is going to be.
01-03-2019, 01:17 PM
#47
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True. That's why my first reply to this was fitment/cost.
Anything below 1500 horsepower is a complete toss-up now that companies like VS and On3 have 88+mm billet clones you can get for less than a grand.
For anyone who doesn't mind china turbos, budget almost gets tossed out in favor of fitment.
-I had tons of room under the hood of my Nova, so I went billet S475 (now S480). Finished the entire turbo setup for $1800 from the compressor inlet to the downpipe.
-I fabricated a twin setup for an S10 I was helping build. With truck accessories, he had to trim his fan shroud for the threaded snout of the water pump pulley to clear.
He also wanted to keep inner fenders. A single wasn't an option, not even a 7875. I managed to fit a pair of tiny 50mm T3 turbos under the hood with 3" downpipes. It runs mid 10s with a T56 at 3600 lbs cutting 1.4x 60'.
Total budget for this one with stock manifolds, piping, intercooler, twins was only $800.
-I had unlimited space on my corvette. No hood, no fenders, no bumpers, no restrictions. The quad turbo setup with custom manifolds, 4 T3 turbos, intercooler and piping, oil feed/return lines was all just $1500.
Fitment being the sole deciding factor in each of them. Budget is becoming less of an issue. None of the turbos are chosen based on power potential since they're all more than capable of the original goals.
For things like 99-07 silverados/sierras just wanting a mild bump in power, I usually do small twins so I can bolt the downpipes directly to the factory Y-pipe for an easy and clean install. Factory manifolds with 2.5" 14 gauge tubing and OBX 2.5" round to T3 or T4 transition flanges, and a few pieces of 3" J bends with new stock manifold flanges makes getting the turbos and hotside bolted in take ~4 hours with room to spare.
Anything below 1500 horsepower is a complete toss-up now that companies like VS and On3 have 88+mm billet clones you can get for less than a grand.
For anyone who doesn't mind china turbos, budget almost gets tossed out in favor of fitment.
-I had tons of room under the hood of my Nova, so I went billet S475 (now S480). Finished the entire turbo setup for $1800 from the compressor inlet to the downpipe.
-I fabricated a twin setup for an S10 I was helping build. With truck accessories, he had to trim his fan shroud for the threaded snout of the water pump pulley to clear.
He also wanted to keep inner fenders. A single wasn't an option, not even a 7875. I managed to fit a pair of tiny 50mm T3 turbos under the hood with 3" downpipes. It runs mid 10s with a T56 at 3600 lbs cutting 1.4x 60'.
Total budget for this one with stock manifolds, piping, intercooler, twins was only $800.
-I had unlimited space on my corvette. No hood, no fenders, no bumpers, no restrictions. The quad turbo setup with custom manifolds, 4 T3 turbos, intercooler and piping, oil feed/return lines was all just $1500.
Fitment being the sole deciding factor in each of them. Budget is becoming less of an issue. None of the turbos are chosen based on power potential since they're all more than capable of the original goals.
For things like 99-07 silverados/sierras just wanting a mild bump in power, I usually do small twins so I can bolt the downpipes directly to the factory Y-pipe for an easy and clean install. Factory manifolds with 2.5" 14 gauge tubing and OBX 2.5" round to T3 or T4 transition flanges, and a few pieces of 3" J bends with new stock manifold flanges makes getting the turbos and hotside bolted in take ~4 hours with room to spare.
01-03-2019, 02:51 PM
#48
That's the one.
I doubt he has any of his own actual money into the vette, considering most of the parts are provided via advertising and he makes money every time he starts the car on video. I'm sure Ray got some hookups along the way as well, pretty sure Monster was shipping him clutches regularly and texasspeed helped with the engine. Either way for what started as a basic LS setup with 6766 turbos its pretty impressive he went 7's with a manual. Could care less about the body panel, gokart blah blah blah debate. If it were easy more people would be doing it, and I don't see many even try.
Single vs twin comes down to price point as well, the singles that can make big power are $4k+. When you can get $1500-2000 worth of twins and make good power its appealing to some people on a budget, they can then use that money to build an engine that can handle it. I'm sure the people spending $4k+ on a turbo aren't worried about what the engine invoice is going to be.
I doubt he has any of his own actual money into the vette, considering most of the parts are provided via advertising and he makes money every time he starts the car on video. I'm sure Ray got some hookups along the way as well, pretty sure Monster was shipping him clutches regularly and texasspeed helped with the engine. Either way for what started as a basic LS setup with 6766 turbos its pretty impressive he went 7's with a manual. Could care less about the body panel, gokart blah blah blah debate. If it were easy more people would be doing it, and I don't see many even try.
Single vs twin comes down to price point as well, the singles that can make big power are $4k+. When you can get $1500-2000 worth of twins and make good power its appealing to some people on a budget, they can then use that money to build an engine that can handle it. I'm sure the people spending $4k+ on a turbo aren't worried about what the engine invoice is going to be.
Your posts are sad
So you just automatically take a Billy badass ball bearing gt55 unit and want to compare to it to a set of plain jane journal bearing twins
Excellent logic
You can be into a journal bearing gt55 for under 3k
Want to compare to a fancy ball bearing gt55 you better be comparing with a pair of fancy gen 2 ball bearing 6870s or 7675s or Garrett gen 2 gtx4202s
01-03-2019, 06:08 PM
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Lol this thread has gone to **** like most turbo suggestions threads. The guy has a 6000lb dually and wants a responsive setup for a fun street driver . He's not planning to run 6s or 7s anytime soon .
01-04-2019, 04:20 AM
#51
That's the one.
I doubt he has any of his own actual money into the vette, considering most of the parts are provided via advertising and he makes money every time he starts the car on video. I'm sure Ray got some hookups along the way as well, pretty sure Monster was shipping him clutches regularly and texasspeed helped with the engine. Either way for what started as a basic LS setup with 6766 turbos its pretty impressive he went 7's with a manual. Could care less about the body panel, gokart blah blah blah debate. If it were easy more people would be doing it, and I don't see many even try.
Single vs twin comes down to price point as well, the singles that can make big power are $4k+. When you can get $1500-2000 worth of twins and make good power its appealing to some people on a budget, they can then use that money to build an engine that can handle it. I'm sure the people spending $4k+ on a turbo aren't worried about what the engine invoice is going to be.
I doubt he has any of his own actual money into the vette, considering most of the parts are provided via advertising and he makes money every time he starts the car on video. I'm sure Ray got some hookups along the way as well, pretty sure Monster was shipping him clutches regularly and texasspeed helped with the engine. Either way for what started as a basic LS setup with 6766 turbos its pretty impressive he went 7's with a manual. Could care less about the body panel, gokart blah blah blah debate. If it were easy more people would be doing it, and I don't see many even try.
Single vs twin comes down to price point as well, the singles that can make big power are $4k+. When you can get $1500-2000 worth of twins and make good power its appealing to some people on a budget, they can then use that money to build an engine that can handle it. I'm sure the people spending $4k+ on a turbo aren't worried about what the engine invoice is going to be.
01-04-2019, 01:53 PM
#53
Your posts are sad
So you just automatically take a Billy badass ball bearing gt55 unit and want to compare to it to a set of plain jane journal bearing twins
Excellent logic
You can be into a journal bearing gt55 for under 3k
Want to compare to a fancy ball bearing gt55 you better be comparing with a pair of fancy gen 2 ball bearing 6870s or 7675s or Garrett gen 2 gtx4202s
So you just automatically take a Billy badass ball bearing gt55 unit and want to compare to it to a set of plain jane journal bearing twins
Excellent logic
You can be into a journal bearing gt55 for under 3k
Want to compare to a fancy ball bearing gt55 you better be comparing with a pair of fancy gen 2 ball bearing 6870s or 7675s or Garrett gen 2 gtx4202s
lol obviously he is, people take this **** way too seriously which makes me laugh.
01-04-2019, 02:22 PM
#54
I doubt he has any of his own actual money into the vette, considering most of the parts are provided via advertising and he makes money every time he starts the car on video. I'm sure Ray got some hookups along the way as well, pretty sure Monster was shipping him clutches regularly and texasspeed helped with the engine. Either way for what started as a basic LS setup with 6766 turbos its pretty impressive he went 7's with a manual. Could care less about the body panel, gokart blah blah blah debate. If it were easy more people would be doing it, and I don't see many even try.
01-04-2019, 02:55 PM
#55
You don't pickup on sarcasm do you? I forgot its LS1TECH, where everyone goes to brush up on English 301 rather than post anything informative. In this case for the delinquents... could care less, aka don't give a **** aka not a concern of mine aka don't ******* care how many body panels its missing when it beat the race cars lol
01-04-2019, 03:08 PM
#56
You don't pickup on sarcasm do you? I forgot its LS1TECH, where everyone goes to brush up on English 301 rather than post anything informative. In this case for the delinquents... could care less, aka don't give a **** aka not a concern of mine aka don't ******* care how many body panels its missing when it beat the race cars lol
01-04-2019, 03:41 PM
#57
“We define could care less and couldn’t care lesson the same page, with the single definition “used to indicate that one is not at all concerned about or interested in something.” We do not put these seemingly disparate idioms on the same page in order to save space, or so that we might cause you pain. We do it because one is simply a variant of the other, and they are used in a synonymous manner.”
01-04-2019, 04:20 PM
#58
Yo webster, look at your own definition lol
“We define could care less and couldn’t care lesson the same page, with the single definition “used to indicate that one is not at all concerned about or interested in something.” We do not put these seemingly disparate idioms on the same page in order to save space, or so that we might cause you pain. We do it because one is simply a variant of the other, and they are used in a synonymous manner.”
01-04-2019, 05:19 PM
#59
. This car stuff is just fun guys.....quit being so serious.
01-04-2019, 08:20 PM
#60
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I like twins because it’s way easier to fit two 3.5” pipes out the back than a single 6”
but for the guy with the mile long full size looking to impress his drinking buddies with a tire fire, a simple single is going to pull it off quite nicely.
but for the guy with the mile long full size looking to impress his drinking buddies with a tire fire, a simple single is going to pull it off quite nicely.
