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From: Norn Iron
Use the same GM sensor on 3-4 second 1/8th mile cars and they read just fine. If you can max out the sensor 2 seconds into the run it appears they respond plenty fast enough to read a lazy 1000hp 100-200 degree reading on the dyno.
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If you're maxing out a typical air temp sensor in 2 seconds, then you've seriously fucked up high air temps.
Some proper testing of some temperature probes, including a "fast acting" air temp sensor....which was even slower than a slow thermocouple.
http://www.syvecs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1155
Appearing they respond fast, and actually responding fast are not the same thing. Does it always matter ? not so much perhaps, but they are still very slow.
Some proper testing of some temperature probes, including a "fast acting" air temp sensor....which was even slower than a slow thermocouple.
http://www.syvecs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1155
Appearing they respond fast, and actually responding fast are not the same thing. Does it always matter ? not so much perhaps, but they are still very slow.
If you're maxing out a typical air temp sensor in 2 seconds, then you've seriously fucked up high air temps.
Some proper testing of some temperature probes, including a "fast acting" air temp sensor....which was even slower than a slow thermocouple.
http://www.syvecs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1155
Appearing they respond fast, and actually responding fast are not the same thing. Does it always matter ? not so much perhaps, but they are still very slow.
Some proper testing of some temperature probes, including a "fast acting" air temp sensor....which was even slower than a slow thermocouple.
http://www.syvecs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1155
Appearing they respond fast, and actually responding fast are not the same thing. Does it always matter ? not so much perhaps, but they are still very slow.
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A normal thermistor air temp sensor will never read no IC temps correctly ( unless very low boost ). They simply do not have the range.
But quite correct, if the engine is tuned for those conditions and it is happy....there is no problem.
That isnt to say things could not be improved with cooler air though
But quite correct, if the engine is tuned for those conditions and it is happy....there is no problem.
That isnt to say things could not be improved with cooler air though
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Would have been nice to see this test with the usual Chinese crap so many on this forum seem to love.
Although still a good comparison of a decent intercooler against a better one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7R2I6SP74k&
Although still a good comparison of a decent intercooler against a better one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7R2I6SP74k&
Also worth watching the Banks Power videos on their supercharged duramax. Gale goes into a lot of detail on how much power the intercooler is actually adding. Turns out it’s more than the blower!...
this is isn’t to say a cheap intercooler won’t work, just you will have to work the engine, turbo and everything else harder to get the same results. The same as a cheap turbo vs a optimised one.
Sheara also dose a pretty nice intercooler using (I think) 2x3inch thigh Garrett cores for the big HP guys: https://shearerfabrications.com/coll...31058173558843
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Interesting. No one mentioned a Procharger as a choice for the OP as an inter-cooler thru the entire thread. But now are posting videos using Procharger inter-coolers to show the difference between a good inter-cooler and an internet inter-cooler. So maybe the Procharger inter-coolers aren't so bad after all. But no one mentioned it.
BTW - note that the Procharger inter-coolers tanks are not cast. Just speculation, but IMO whether the tank is cast or not is relevant once the inter-cooler heat soaks. Plus a cast tank inter-cooler weighs more like my heavy Mishimoto with cast tanks.
Looks to me like I could dump my big a_ _ 4 X 26 Mishimoto inter-cooler with a smaller 3 or 3 1/2 inch Procharger intercooler and do better.
BTW - note that the Procharger inter-coolers tanks are not cast. Just speculation, but IMO whether the tank is cast or not is relevant once the inter-cooler heat soaks. Plus a cast tank inter-cooler weighs more like my heavy Mishimoto with cast tanks.
Looks to me like I could dump my big a_ _ 4 X 26 Mishimoto inter-cooler with a smaller 3 or 3 1/2 inch Procharger intercooler and do better.
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Steve, you beat me to it! And in that test the only change was the intercooler. More boost and less heat! Same pulley, same engine, etc.
Also worth watching the Banks Power videos on their supercharged duramax. Gale goes into a lot of detail on how much power the intercooler is actually adding. Turns out it’s more than the blower!...
this is isn’t to say a cheap intercooler won’t work, just you will have to work the engine, turbo and everything else harder to get the same results. The same as a cheap turbo vs a optimised one.
Sheara also dose a pretty nice intercooler using (I think) 2x3inch thigh Garrett cores for the big HP guys: ...
Also worth watching the Banks Power videos on their supercharged duramax. Gale goes into a lot of detail on how much power the intercooler is actually adding. Turns out it’s more than the blower!...
this is isn’t to say a cheap intercooler won’t work, just you will have to work the engine, turbo and everything else harder to get the same results. The same as a cheap turbo vs a optimised one.
Sheara also dose a pretty nice intercooler using (I think) 2x3inch thigh Garrett cores for the big HP guys: ...
I don't think there is an argument that a better intercooler makes power power at lower boost. It's do you care. When a price difference of even 300 is the cost of a turbo, not everyone wants to spend that money on a better FMIC.
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