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Old Jul 26, 2020 | 04:39 PM
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Power seemed low. According to mph and weight. About 435 hp at 10 psi and 500 hp at 14 psi at 4000 da. 5.3 aluminum 10:1 243 heads ls6 intake sloppy stage 2 vsracing 78/75. 93 pump with boost juice. 3450 with me in it. Here is my timing and afr.

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Old Jul 26, 2020 | 05:02 PM
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Your AFR and timing doesn't seem unreasonable. Assuming no knock on the logs or plugs? Your DA is going to suck the life out of that thing lol.
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Old Jul 26, 2020 | 06:55 PM
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I'd like to start off by saying I'm not a Holley guy , but trying to help. I can't see the rpm on one of the tables but it looks like you could be be at - 2 psi , 14.7 afr and 36° timing , that could easily cause some knock and depending on how quickly it brings back timing that could cause a poor run and low numbers. I'm sure some experienced holley guys can send you a better timing table and help with tuning the knock sensors. Hope this helps a little
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 07:18 AM
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why so much resolution in vacuum and not so much in boost? just wondering if there is some advantage to this
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 08:09 AM
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why so much resolution in vacuum and not so much in boost? just wondering if there is some advantage to this
no it's just the way the wizard scales it. I've rescaled it now but didn't change any values.

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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 08:56 AM
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I think ur timing is low as u get into boost...i generally run close to NA timing up to about 4-5psi then start pulling. At only 10psi AND meth I would run more than 12*...not sure thats ur entire problem cause there maybe other mechanical **** going on.


Edit i just took another look and saw u have about 15*...i would run more either way since u have meth.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 09:21 AM
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Were you at the track, or on a dyno-500 doesnt seem way out of line-I never got as much as some report on dynos, of course they all claim theres reads low, lol.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 10:49 AM
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Were you at the track, or on a dyno-500 doesnt seem way out of line-I never got as much as some report on dynos, of course they all claim theres reads low, lol.
Track using drag calculator. 3450 lbs with me 4000 da. Ran 118 mph in 1/4 on 10 lbs and 123 on 14 psi.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GT Griller
I think ur timing is low as u get into boost...i generally run close to NA timing up to about 4-5psi then start pulling. At only 10psi AND meth I would run more than 12*...not sure thats ur entire problem cause there maybe other mechanical **** going on.


Edit i just took another look and saw u have about 15*...i would run more either way since u have meth.
Would you think 2 degrees all across the board from wot and up? Or more.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 11:19 AM
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You need to read the plugs before you start throwing timing at it. If anything leave the timing alone and up the boost.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 12:11 PM
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I agree the timing seems low. The sloppy rule of 14@14 has always been my go to for starting a tune. i also dont start pulling timing until 5-6psi as someone above mentioned.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 01:59 PM
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I would try to get another 4 degrees of timing out of it. Granted I run 9.5:1 CR, but I run 8 degrees at 24psi....I ran 14 degrees at 14psi and like 17 degrees at 10psi.

I would bet you're just timed way to soft. Maybe 11.2 AFR for 14psi and higher too once you bring the timing up.

edit: I run this timing on 60/40 water/meth injection. I probably should have said that.

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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 02:33 PM
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I know for a fact my setup knocks at 14 psi and 14 degrees without meth. Read the plugs.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 02:54 PM
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I run ethanol free 91 mixed with 110. Your going to run at a different stoic with e10

My timing table.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 03:03 PM
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^^^^ his timing at -2 psi is 25 not 36. Your boost timing might be fine but you could be getting KR as you approach boost then it may take a few sec to return to normal. Logging will help
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 05:43 PM
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Read the plugs. Too many variables. Your commanded timing may be 16*. But unless you have confirmed TDC and that your ECU is firing at the correct commanded time, you may be at 18* or 13* or whatever. Plugs don't lie.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 06:56 PM
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make sure you verify timing with a light. your timing is a little low but not crazy however if your actually 3 degrees retarded of what your commanding your probably leaving 100-130hp on the table at the same boost level.
from there read plugs and creep up on it until it doesn't go faster at the same boost level.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
I know for a fact my setup knocks at 14 psi and 14 degrees without meth. Read the plugs.
Best advice in the thread!
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Old Jul 30, 2020 | 09:49 AM
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Why on earth do you have 25 degrees of timing at idle? and to make things worse, the timing actually goes up with load in the low RPM range...

Post your VE table...

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