Bosch 210’s for a street car
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Ive got the magnafuel 4303 so I should have enough for now. I only bumped it up to 65 base and I will buy injectors eventually and drop it down to 43 base so my pump should go a long way with that low of base pressure.
Curious why I don't see the old FMU's make a come back. I was thinking of running one on my baby injector street car. (80lb deka) I have plenty of pump (Dual AEM 380's) but don't really want to run around at 70-80psi base all the time. My fuel temps were around 125* after a pretty short cruise on a 86* day. Thats not horrible, but seems unnecessary, like its working the pumps harder than necessary too. I think it'd be cool to idle and cruise at 25psi rail. Then have a 4:1 FMU on it(lowest ratio i've seen). So at 20lbs of boost my FP is 105 or so. Prob get a poor spray pattern at lower pressures, but these deka 80's are like a squirt gun anyway. They don't really have a defined cone that I can see. could take de-capped stock injectors pretty far that way as well.
Last edited by Forcefed86; Oct 1, 2020 at 01:40 PM.
Absolutely no issue with the genuine Bosh 210's on a REAL street car here on 388". E85 as well. I would just recommend you get the genuine units from VS racing, Carter Motorsports, etc. Not a fan of the knock off or super low end stuff like Snake Eater Performance.
That's where I purchased mine (VS racing) . Is your PCM a 0411? If so, would you mind sending your settings for the Bosch 210's? I still haven't installed mine and probably won't till next Spring. Thanks!
I have a fox mustang with a Holley Dominator on it. You can google and get the injector off time data though very easily. The bosch 210's are basically the same as the ID 2000's. If you google for "ID 2000 injector data" you will find it. Not sure what exact info the stock pcm needs though so proceed at your own risk.
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I have a set of these too, as yet uninstalled. I have the spreadsheet for them (ID200_GM_HPTUNERS.XLS) that details the data settings and has a built in scaler (Recalcs when you specify anything from 100% to something less). I've pulled a few BOSCH 210 tunes from HP tuners repository and a couple from Matt's tune cabinet and it seems everyone rescales them. I believe it's because there's some constraint/value limit on one of the HPTuners tables that won't accept the 100% value. I'll have to look again to see which one it is for my 0411 anyway,
I pulled up a throwaway tune to try to install the 100% values into the "Injector Flow Rate vs. KPA VAC" and you were correct in saying that was the one that had a limit for my 0411.. When I pasted the following values into that map, it complained immediately with a pop-up headlined "Parameter out of range" on each cell, indicated that while if I insisted on the value, it "would" take it but that if I uploaded it, it could put my module in an unrecoverable state.
241.69 243.13 244.58 246.02 247.46 248.90 250.33 251.75 253.17 254.60 256.01 257.41 258.81 260.21 261.59 262.96 264.33
So it sounds like your P59 is able to take the value if you're not getting that pop-up.
241.69 243.13 244.58 246.02 247.46 248.90 250.33 251.75 253.17 254.60 256.01 257.41 258.81 260.21 261.59 262.96 264.33
So it sounds like your P59 is able to take the value if you're not getting that pop-up.
I've just rebuilt my engine (blown headgasket and two torched pistons) and the winter is all but here, so I wont get a chance to do much with the tune till next Spring. I've pulled a couple of tunes that have the 210's specified in the description but they've scaled them differently than I've seen recommended Scaling injector data
I've just rebuilt my engine (blown headgasket and two torched pistons) and the winter is all but here, so I wont get a chance to do much with the tune till next Spring. I've pulled a couple of tunes that have the 210's specified in the description but they've scaled them differently than I've seen recommended Scaling injector data
What's up with the tall Bosch 210s that have the EV1 connectors? I had always used the shorty 210's with the denso connectors. Now I see the EV1 units as more popular. Do these still have the SS internals like the short injectors?
Just bought a set anyway... hope they are decent.
Just bought a set anyway... hope they are decent.
I thought one or more of my Injectors had gone bad or that one of my fuel pumps was going south, etc.
Still not sure. Sent the Bosch 127# off to Fuel Injector Clinic and had them cleaned/flowed. One or two were off from the others but in decent shape.
Still haven't assessed the fuel pumps under WOT. I bought a digital fuel pressure sensor and integrated it into my fuel rail and setup a PID in HPTuners to monitor it but havent had a chance to drive with it hooked up.
While I say I burnt two pistons, they were the most affected but 3 or 4 others had light damage that I hadn't noticed till I pulled them all out for a rebuild. I've bought a 'Hellcat' fuel pump (525? lph) that I'll be putting in over this winter , no matter what.
I'm installing a S480 now (well, a VS Racing S480 'clone') and if all goes well on fitment, that'll be the new debut next Spring. Otherwise, I'll put the GT35's back on.
I'd like to put in the 210's but I'm still unsure of what to setup in the tune for them. I suppose if I just stick with 210# at @58psi and let the FPR be boost referenced, I can still with the ID2000 specs. It's just that I see a lot of peoples tunes that are scaling them.
I bought a Holley Terminator X setup but it's on back order. Not sure when it'll get here.
Still not sure. Sent the Bosch 127# off to Fuel Injector Clinic and had them cleaned/flowed. One or two were off from the others but in decent shape.
Still haven't assessed the fuel pumps under WOT. I bought a digital fuel pressure sensor and integrated it into my fuel rail and setup a PID in HPTuners to monitor it but havent had a chance to drive with it hooked up.
While I say I burnt two pistons, they were the most affected but 3 or 4 others had light damage that I hadn't noticed till I pulled them all out for a rebuild. I've bought a 'Hellcat' fuel pump (525? lph) that I'll be putting in over this winter , no matter what.
I'm installing a S480 now (well, a VS Racing S480 'clone') and if all goes well on fitment, that'll be the new debut next Spring. Otherwise, I'll put the GT35's back on.
I'd like to put in the 210's but I'm still unsure of what to setup in the tune for them. I suppose if I just stick with 210# at @58psi and let the FPR be boost referenced, I can still with the ID2000 specs. It's just that I see a lot of peoples tunes that are scaling them.
I bought a Holley Terminator X setup but it's on back order. Not sure when it'll get here.
I just swapped my Snake Eater 1000cc ones for 1500cc version. I run a boost sensitive regulator, but these seemed to want to use the data that they sent me, which is provided by Greg Banish. If I went with the 137.71 figure, across the board, I couldnt get the idle to lean out
Ebay units have gone 7's powering china turbos, they seem to work fine. Honestly can't even tell between ID2000 and ebay 210's when I hop in a car and throw the data in it, starts right up and purrs either way just one guy has a lighter wallet.
Every customer that I've had buy cheap Ebay or Amazon injectors has went very badly so thats why I, we, wont use them anymore.
I get it! Some people have great luck with ebay turbos, I didnt. Quality control isnt high on priorities I’m sure.