Bosch 210’s for a street car
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Bosch 210’s for a street car Opinions on the Bosch 210’s with ev1 and spacer for LS height in a street car?
They seem to cheap to be true. No leaking or tuning issues with these? I’m on ethanol and even though these are more than I need they are cheaper than anything in the 1300cc range that I’m looking at.
They seem to cheap to be true. No leaking or tuning issues with these? I’m on ethanol and even though these are more than I need they are cheaper than anything in the 1300cc range that I’m looking at.
Been using them for years, seem to work great and easy to tune. I get the (non china branded) Bosch part number, apparently some fakes are out there. They are the same part number as the ID2000 from what I've seen. I know people will claim that the ID's are far superior and they might be, but I cant justify them at 5x the price.
If you need a smaller set I thought the snake eater 1500's were about the same price as these?
If you need a smaller set I thought the snake eater 1500's were about the same price as these?
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Been using them for years, seem to work great and easy to tune. I get the (non china branded) Bosch part number, apparently some fakes are out there. They are the same part number as the ID2000 from what I've seen. I know people will claim that the ID's are far superior and they might be, but I cant justify them at 5x the price.
If you need a smaller set I thought the snake eater 1500's were about the same price as these?
If you need a smaller set I thought the snake eater 1500's were about the same price as these?
I was told if I use the 829 model bosch 210 with the 10mm spacer it would be a direct drop in.
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I currently have the magnafuel 25 micron post pump filter will I be fine with that?
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I have a set of these too, as yet uninstalled. I have the spreadsheet for them (ID200_GM_HPTUNERS.XLS) that details the data settings and has a built in scaler (Recalcs when you specify anything from 100% to something less). I've pulled a few BOSCH 210 tunes from HP tuners repository and a couple from Matt's tune cabinet and it seems everyone rescales them. I believe it's because there's some constraint/value limit on one of the HPTuners tables that won't accept the 100% value. I'll have to look again to see which one it is for my 0411 anyway,
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I have a set of these too, as yet uninstalled. I have the spreadsheet for them (ID200_GM_HPTUNERS.XLS) that details the data settings and has a built in scaler (Recalcs when you specify anything from 100% to something less). I've pulled a few BOSCH 210 tunes from HP tuners repository and a couple from Matt's tune cabinet and it seems everyone rescales them. I believe it's because there's some constraint/value limit on one of the HPTuners tables that won't accept the 100% value. I'll have to look again to see which one it is for my 0411 anyway,
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I installed them in my L33 with truck intake. They were easy fit though I did use some small spacers on fuel rail bracket. No leaks so far. Local tuner place recommended them even if they are overkill for you needs. I run E85.
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So far budget options I’m aware of are:
Bosch 210’s
Snake eater 1500’s
After that it jumps up to deatschwerks which I currently use,but their 1500’s are $1500.
I’ve also read the 210’s are an issue if they sit with e85 because they are not stainless.
Any other budget options I’m missing? Something at least 1300cc at 43 psi for under $800?
Another option is to lower my alcohol content and add a cheap meth kit, but I’d rather not do that if I don’t need to.
I pulled up a throwaway tune to try to install the 100% values into the "Injector Flow Rate vs. KPA VAC" and you were correct in saying that was the one that had a limit for my 0411.. When I pasted the following values into that map, it complained immediately with a pop-up headlined "Parameter out of range" on each cell, indicated that while if I insisted on the value, it "would" take it but that if I uploaded it, it could put my module in an unrecoverable state.
241.69 243.13 244.58 246.02 247.46 248.90 250.33 251.75 253.17 254.60 256.01 257.41 258.81 260.21 261.59 262.96 264.33
So it sounds like your P59 is able to take the value if you're not getting that pop-up.
241.69 243.13 244.58 246.02 247.46 248.90 250.33 251.75 253.17 254.60 256.01 257.41 258.81 260.21 261.59 262.96 264.33
So it sounds like your P59 is able to take the value if you're not getting that pop-up.
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I pulled up a throwaway tune to try to install the 100% values into the "Injector Flow Rate vs. KPA VAC" and you were correct in saying that was the one that had a limit for my 0411.. When I pasted the following values into that map, it complained immediately with a pop-up headlined "Parameter out of range" on each cell, indicated that while if I insisted on the value, it "would" take it but that if I uploaded it, it could put my module in an unrecoverable state.
241.69 243.13 244.58 246.02 247.46 248.90 250.33 251.75 253.17 254.60 256.01 257.41 258.81 260.21 261.59 262.96 264.33
So it sounds like your P59 is able to take the value if you're not getting that pop-up.
241.69 243.13 244.58 246.02 247.46 248.90 250.33 251.75 253.17 254.60 256.01 257.41 258.81 260.21 261.59 262.96 264.33
So it sounds like your P59 is able to take the value if you're not getting that pop-up.
I think my deatschwerks 95 lbs per hour rated at 3 bar will handle a couple more psi of boost with 50 percent ethanol since I’m running 58 base currently then I may add meth injection on top of that. I still need to find something in the 1300cc range so I can run a higher ethanol content. Deatschwerks 1200cc are $1000 and would have me already near their limit on 85 percent alcohol.
Using a boost referenced regulator with a 43 base I would be using 210 as the flow rate in all cells of the flow rate vs kpa table. I did find more info that even the injector dynamics version of these have issues with e85 sitting in them for more than a week or two causing them to fail. I’m not going to risk that so I’m looking at different options now.
I think my deatschwerks 95 lbs per hour rated at 3 bar will handle a couple more psi of boost with 50 percent ethanol since I’m running 58 base currently then I may add meth injection on top of that. I still need to find something in the 1300cc range so I can run a higher ethanol content. Deatschwerks 1200cc are $1000 and would have me already near their limit on 85 percent alcohol.
I think my deatschwerks 95 lbs per hour rated at 3 bar will handle a couple more psi of boost with 50 percent ethanol since I’m running 58 base currently then I may add meth injection on top of that. I still need to find something in the 1300cc range so I can run a higher ethanol content. Deatschwerks 1200cc are $1000 and would have me already near their limit on 85 percent alcohol.
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With a 65psi base your 95’s will flow close to the same as 120’s at 43. The 120’s at 65psi will flow like 150’s at 43psi. Always more than one way to get the job done. 120’s on E85 will go decently far for a street car, I ran mine up to 150mph trap speed but not sure how much power you are trying to make.
I have a magnafuel 4303 with room so I think that for now I’ll bump up base pressure and that will get me by. Long term I’m looking at a bigger blower so I was thinking if I have to buy injectors anyway then I would size them for my long term goal.
For now it seems like bumping base pressure up a bit is a good option.
How does hptuners calculate duty cycle?
The 210's I've worked with are SS. Should be anyway. They are a CNG injector. Some of the other CNG injectors out there are not SS and the pintle can swell and actually quit working when the fuel/injector gets hot. No reason not to go with the 210 IMO. Esp. if they idle pump gas? I'v tuned them on e85 with no issue. I was assuming the PW would be too low for them to idle well on pump gas. Id be interested to see what others have found as well.
I just sold my 160lb LOW-Z Holley injectors. I ran an injector driver on these and they did NOT want to idle below 5% DC. I was right around that area on E85. They wouldn't idle pump fuel well at all. Some of that could have been the driver box.
I just sold my 160lb LOW-Z Holley injectors. I ran an injector driver on these and they did NOT want to idle below 5% DC. I was right around that area on E85. They wouldn't idle pump fuel well at all. Some of that could have been the driver box.
The 210's I've worked with are SS. Should be anyway. They are a CNG injector. Some of the other CNG injectors out there are not SS and the pintle can swell and actually quit working when the fuel/injector gets hot. No reason not to go with the 210 IMO. Esp. if they idle pump gas? I'v tuned them on e85 with no issue. I was assuming the PW would be too low for them to idle well on pump gas. Id be interested to see what others have found as well.
I just sold my 160lb LOW-Z Holley injectors. I ran an injector driver on these and they did NOT want to idle below 5% DC. I was right around that area on E85. They wouldn't idle pump fuel well at all. Some of that could have been the driver box.
I just sold my 160lb LOW-Z Holley injectors. I ran an injector driver on these and they did NOT want to idle below 5% DC. I was right around that area on E85. They wouldn't idle pump fuel well at all. Some of that could have been the driver box.
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For now I decided to take Slow sedan’s advice and just bumped up my base pressure. I’m only going from a 3.85 blower pulley to a 3.7 so with 50 percent ethanol the additional fuel pressure should be enough to cover me for now.
I’ll need to do bigger injectors when I go to a bigger blower, but that could be a year off or at least a few months lol.
I’ll need to do bigger injectors when I go to a bigger blower, but that could be a year off or at least a few months lol.
For now I decided to take Slow sedan’s advice and just bumped up my base pressure. I’m only going from a 3.85 blower pulley to a 3.7 so with 50 percent ethanol the additional fuel pressure should be enough to cover me for now.
I’ll need to do bigger injectors when I go to a bigger blower, but that could be a year off or at least a few months lol.
I’ll need to do bigger injectors when I go to a bigger blower, but that could be a year off or at least a few months lol.