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Old Oct 27, 2020 | 11:43 AM
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So I have been toying with the idea of turboing my car this winter, and drunk me decided to go ahead and order a turbo last week. Seriously didn't even know until I logged into my paypal to make a payment and saw the charge...

So I ordered a VSR S475 clone, T4 1.10 AR. I'm not trying to set the world on fire, so I assume this turbo will be fine for my goals, but what will its characteristics be on a SBE 6.0? Right now I have a large N/A cam in it that will obviously be coming out now. Was looking at the stage 3 summit turbo cam to replace it. Hoping to make ~650-700whp on pump 93 keeping the RPM's under 7k. Will that be possible?
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Old Oct 27, 2020 | 11:55 AM
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I feel like thats too much cam for that turbo. I would go with something along the lines of the summit stage 2 turbo cam or the high lift truck cam summit offers 218/227 600 lift. I run the exact same turbo on my 5.3 just a genuine borg not vs and it makes 650hp on 20 psi. It is great driving on the street and on an even bigger 6.0 it oughta light really quick.
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What cam is in it? You'd likely be fine leaving it in with those goals. Don't over think it. Id say if anything, call up Viren and ask if you can exchange that one for a small fee and go with the T6 S475. Would work better with a larger cam anyway and its less cost and effort to change than changing the cam out.
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Old Oct 28, 2020 | 10:58 AM
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What cam is in it? You'd likely be fine leaving it in with those goals. Don't over think it. Id say if anything, call up Viren and ask if you can exchange that one for a small fee and go with the T6 S475. Would work better with a larger cam anyway and its less cost and effort to change than changing the cam out.
Current cam is cam motion JYD 232/244 111LCA .621"/.604"
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Old Oct 28, 2020 | 11:34 AM
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Eh, 16* of overlap at .050... you'd be fine IMO. Still think a T4 is too small. But I bet it would still have zero trouble making 650whp.
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I have a t4 1.25 next gen cast 7875 on my L77 Caprice w/ a stg 2 summit turbo cam, and it did quite well until I found the limits of pump 93.
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Old Oct 28, 2020 | 12:42 PM
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I have a t4 1.25 next gen cast 7875 on my L77 Caprice w/ a stg 2 summit turbo cam, and it did quite well until I found the limits of pump 93.
And what was the limit of pump 93? I plan on staying on pump as well, as I spent big $$$ on an aeromotive stealth II tank which kind of limits my pump options - pretty much ruling out e85.
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Old Oct 28, 2020 | 12:49 PM
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It took out the top of the piston #7 on 9#'s and 15* @ 11.5 afr. It was an unopened bottom end other than removing the dod stuff, adding turbo cam and springs. I think I had a good bit of back pressure because I tied the down pipe back into the stock exhaust and mufflers, there were probably multiple causes. I'm in the process of getting it put back together.
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Usually nipping the top off is rings butting. Hose it down with a healthy amount of water/meth and keep timing down to 10* below 5500 to start. Then get a good plug read and go from there. There is no "go to" answer for a safe tune up. Gotta start low, read plugs, and give it what it wants.
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Guessing thats the 83/75 turbo, they do well, dont like restricted exhaust. I used one with a Summit stg 2 cam, ran good.
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Usually nipping the top off is rings butting. Hose it down with a healthy amount of water/meth and keep timing down to 10* below 5500 to start. Then get a good plug read and go from there. There is no "go to" answer for a safe tune up. Gotta start low, read plugs, and give it what it wants.
That's the plan this go round, top ring was 23 and second was 26. This was with a stock E38 ECU tuning it with HP Tuners. It had been together for several months with no issue, then kind of a top end run got #7.
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Old Oct 28, 2020 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by forcd ind
Guessing thats the 83/75 turbo, they do well, dont like restricted exhaust. I used one with a Summit stg 2 cam, ran good.
That's correct. What cubic inch was yours?
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Also even if E85 isn't an option. YOu may try using an ethanol content sensor and blending in smaller percentages. E50 is some powerful stuff and less demanding on the fuel system. Even 30% helps alot.
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Guessing thats the 83/75 turbo, they do well, dont like restricted exhaust. I used one with a Summit stg 2 cam, ran good.
Yessir 83x75. I was going to use a pair of up and forward headers but they dont fit with my P/S location so I am gonna try out the hooker manifold setup. This is all in a 71 cutlass.
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Old Oct 28, 2020 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Forcefed86
Also even if E85 isn't an option. YOu may try using an ethanol content sensor and blending in smaller percentages. E50 is some powerful stuff and less demanding on the fuel system. Even 30% helps alot.
My car is flex fuel from the factory, so I may give that a try. We don't have any E stations around my house.
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Stock48 went 8.60 or 8.80 on a stock LQ4 with a small cam and a cast Borg S475/83 T4 on his second time at the track in the car @ ~3400 lbs.

Potential is there. Worrying will make it worse.
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Originally Posted by 408GT
It took out the top of the piston #7 on 9#'s and 15* @ 11.5 afr. It was an unopened bottom end other than removing the dod stuff, adding turbo cam and springs. I think I had a good bit of back pressure because I tied the down pipe back into the stock exhaust and mufflers, there were probably multiple causes. I'm in the process of getting it put back together.
You mean everyone's default response of 14# and 14* doesn't always work?! Agree with frcefed, spray it down and it'll be happy.
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Originally Posted by AwesomeAuto
Stock48 went 8.60 or 8.80 on a stock LQ4 with a small cam and a cast Borg S475/83 T4 on his second time at the track in the car @ ~3400 lbs.

Potential is there. Worrying will make it worse.
He also had diddly for overlap with that baby cam.

Stock48 went 8.9x on that turbo I believe, 1st time out. But went 157 and only 16lbs! also seemed to run on magic unicorn sauce, because no one else has come close to those numbers @ 3350 that I know of? I think his "mild" home ported heads were pretty dammed amazing. I remember he was saying that turbo was tapped and struggled to make over 16lbs on his motor. Meaning that engine had to be making over 500 NA. None of his stuff adds up! But is damn impressive... he helped me alot! super great guy. 2nd time out he had the Billet S476 and set the SBE record at the time at 8.3 and 163.

My 5.3 T4 S475 was tapped at around 20lbs and i pushed it to 24, basically pushing hot air as it picked up about 1 mph. That was with an LS9 cam with a butt ton of negative overlap @ .050. Was at 2.8:1 if I recall back pressure wise. Def not happy! 8.9xs at 153ish. Around 3000lbs.
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You mean everyone's default response of 14# and 14* doesn't always work?! Agree with frcefed, spray it down and it'll be happy.
Actually I had it set to 11*, but didn't know there was a table in the E38 under minimum spark that was set to 15* above 4k rpm... So it was 15* straight across on the datalog.
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Originally Posted by 408GT
Actually I had it set to 11*, but didn't know there was a table in the E38 under minimum spark that was set to 15* above 4k rpm... So it was 15* straight across on the datalog.
What was the CR of the motor and size cam? 15* at 9 psi isn't crazy. High IAT's?
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