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Old Jun 29, 2022 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
Animale what are you thinking to build, an LS or a Dart big M?
Conflicting info here?
I'm hearing LS but Dart Big M is a BBC if I'm not mistaken???
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Old Jun 29, 2022 | 03:31 PM
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I'm assuming he was just using the lsx 427 vs 454 as a comparison, I gather hes anticipating a dart big M.
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Originally Posted by jester1
I'm assuming he was just using the lsx 427 vs 454 as a comparison, I gather hes anticipating a dart big M.
Ah good call, I didn't consider that.
I had a 70 Camaro for years with an LS6 454 that was an absolute hoot, NA, solid roller with a little hit of giggle juice so I'll always have a soft spot for rat motors.
I'd love to do a big cubic inch max effort twin turbo BBC build but the SBE LS build pull is too strong lol.
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Old Jun 30, 2022 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Forcefed86
The block is very relevant. Let us know what block you plan on using and a power goal/intended application/ET/Weight etc. (IE drag car, 1000hp, stock block, 3000lbs 8.50's) Then we could suggest a bore/stroke. If you are talking factory LS 4-bolt blocks, then you leave them alone. There already isn't enough meat between the cyls on the 6.0 blocks for big power and stroking them pulls the piston out of the bore and rocks them, additional sideloads, etc... If you are running a tall deck aftermarket block, then that's much different! They are designed to handle greater bores/strokes. All comes down to cubic dollars in the end. If you want a "big" motor you pay "big" $. Which may or may not be necessary depending on your power/ET goal.
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Animale what are you thinking to build, an LS or a Dart big M?
in my post I used the lsx427 and lsx454 as examples, because they are the same engine with different bores, and therefore different wall thicknesses, the question was wide-ranging, involving both small blocks and big blocks, factory o aftermarket, since we have clarified that a short stroke engine with a larger bore is better, I was trying to understand which block had more thickness, and in general how much the minimum wall thickness must be to support large bores under high boost, 35-45 psi
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Old Jun 30, 2022 | 07:18 PM
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Tell us more about what you plan to do? Maybe you should just get in tin touch with company that builds engines.
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Old Jul 2, 2022 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
Tell us more about what you plan to do? Maybe you should just get in tin touch with company that builds engines.
I build engines as a hobby, and I love turbo engines specifically, but I have always worked on Japanese and German motories, therefore having no experience with American v8s I am asking for information in various fields to learn, so when I can I will start building my engine.
I would like to build a big turbo big block, big power, and I see around that the Dart Big M is used a lot for big powers, I just don't know how thick it has to be to be reliable with 35-45 psi of pressure, so I don't know what maximum bore is recommended for this pressure level.

To date I have seen that the 5.3 resist well to great pressures, the lsx 427 also due to the thickness of the wall, and in the same way the L8T block which has recently been raised to 2077 horsepower (according to the mechanic it could reach even more ?

Having resolved the doubt of the thickness of the walls of the cylinders, I will need to know more about the modifications to be made to the lubrication for high powers and pressures.
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Big M is big block chevy architecture. 5.3, LSX 427 are small block gen 3 based. Totally different.
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Old Jul 3, 2022 | 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
Big M is big block chevy architecture. 5.3, LSX 427 are small block gen 3 based. Totally different.
yes, I know this, but I don't know if a big block or a small block motor is more resistant for the boost.
I have seen that many 30 psi turbo big blocks produce 3000 horsepower with 400 cfm heads, and in the 4000-4500 hp dragster the 500-550ci big blocks reach 45-50 psi, but it is not specified what block it is, and when it is a big m they do not specify how much they bore the cylinders
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Originally Posted by Animale
yes, I know this, but I don't know if a big block or a small block motor is more resistant for the boost.
I have seen that many 30 psi turbo big blocks produce 3000 horsepower with 400 cfm heads, and in the 4000-4500 hp dragster the 500-550ci big blocks reach 45-50 psi, but it is not specified what block it is, and when it is a big m they do not specify how much they bore the cylinders
What are your horsepower goals? After 1500 rwhp the lsx starts to not be a great option. People have made more, but the big block starts to look like a better option at that point. Boost pressure will vary greatly. That 540” big block will make 2000 plus rwhp with much less boost than an lsx. I’d think in terms of power goals instead of boost levels and where ever your boost level falls to make that power on the chosen engine combination is less important.
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Originally Posted by BCNUL8R
What are your horsepower goals? After 1500 rwhp the lsx starts to not be a great option. People have made more, but the big block starts to look like a better option at that point. Boost pressure will vary greatly. That 540” big block will make 2000 plus rwhp with much less boost than an lsx. I’d think in terms of power goals instead of boost levels and where ever your boost level falls to make that power on the chosen engine combination is less important.
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Originally Posted by BCNUL8R
What are your horsepower goals? After 1500 rwhp the lsx starts to not be a great option. People have made more, but the big block starts to look like a better option at that point. Boost pressure will vary greatly. That 540” big block will make 2000 plus rwhp with much less boost than an lsx. I’d think in terms of power goals instead of boost levels and where ever your boost level falls to make that power on the chosen engine combination is less important.
Encompass fuel into that equation as well, pump gas, E85, methanol.
I'm pretty sure you can go as high as 555" and still retain a standard block deck height which would utilize a ton of off the shelf parts, tall deck setups get a bit more difficult.
Pair that up with a couple big *** turbos and 1,000+whp on pump gas would be a cake walk, toss in race gas and go for 2,000+whp without even pushing the engine that hard.
The other factor is you'll have 555" of engine to use down low while not in boost which will be awesome.
Hopefully you have the chassis and tire to wrangle it lol.
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