Why so few procharged fbodies?
im in the process of installing a d1sc currently
my speculation:
when these cars first came out, nitrous prices were more reasonable. Now that you can get a roller for dirt cheap, turbo is going to be the cheapest route averaged over time
my speculation:
when these cars first came out, nitrous prices were more reasonable. Now that you can get a roller for dirt cheap, turbo is going to be the cheapest route averaged over time
Expensive I would guess, I new procharger is like 4k , then my aster bracket is 900 , then you need a 450 dollar ati damper , then the 8.65 crank pulley I run is 250 bucks .
The turbo kits now are so nice and some even keep ac, that's why I went procharged 13 yrs ago , it was a bolt in half a day job to be done .
I will stay procharger bc i want that na exhaust sounds ,sure turbos sound good but that na sound with boost , i love it . you will find quite a few guys on here with prochargers but not out in the wild you wont .
The turbo kits now are so nice and some even keep ac, that's why I went procharged 13 yrs ago , it was a bolt in half a day job to be done .
I will stay procharger bc i want that na exhaust sounds ,sure turbos sound good but that na sound with boost , i love it . you will find quite a few guys on here with prochargers but not out in the wild you wont .
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I think thats fair. Thanks for the input.
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Expensive I would guess, I new procharger is like 4k , then my aster bracket is 900 , then you need a 450 dollar ati damper , then the 8.65 crank pulley I run is 250 bucks .
The turbo kits now are so nice and some even keep ac, that's why I went procharged 13 yrs ago , it was a bolt in half a day job to be done .
I will stay procharger bc i want that na exhaust sounds ,sure turbos sound good but that na sound with boost , i love it . you will find quite a few guys on here with prochargers but not out in the wild you wont .
The turbo kits now are so nice and some even keep ac, that's why I went procharged 13 yrs ago , it was a bolt in half a day job to be done .
I will stay procharger bc i want that na exhaust sounds ,sure turbos sound good but that na sound with boost , i love it . you will find quite a few guys on here with prochargers but not out in the wild you wont .
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Turbos are so much easier to do and turn up. Blowers are cool but very expensive compared to turbo kits.
I think i had about 3000$ in my twin turbo kit total including everything and made 825 whp for 2+ years with AC.
I now have a big single with actual built components and a lot more into the car but its pushing well over 1K+ WHP now. 10/10 would always go turbo.
BUT that being said, after seeing all these passenger head mount units recently, I think im going to sell the STS kit i built on my wifes car and go blower so I can run with best of both worlds.
I think i had about 3000$ in my twin turbo kit total including everything and made 825 whp for 2+ years with AC.
I now have a big single with actual built components and a lot more into the car but its pushing well over 1K+ WHP now. 10/10 would always go turbo.
BUT that being said, after seeing all these passenger head mount units recently, I think im going to sell the STS kit i built on my wifes car and go blower so I can run with best of both worlds.
In the beginning the only options were nitrous and the early Vortech kit. Early supercharger kits only put out 7-8 lbs of boost.
I think turbo kits became more popular because of bang for buck / power output.
Other issue for the blower scene, when folks would try to make more power you ran into space issues for bigger head units and also belt slippage.
I ran a custom YSi setup for two years, had to make custom brackets since the Vortech kit only would fit up to a T-Trim. But I think blower kits now have better bracketry.
I think turbo kits became more popular because of bang for buck / power output.
Other issue for the blower scene, when folks would try to make more power you ran into space issues for bigger head units and also belt slippage.
I ran a custom YSi setup for two years, had to make custom brackets since the Vortech kit only would fit up to a T-Trim. But I think blower kits now have better bracketry.
I think the upfront cost and reliability challenges are the main reasons.
The car I own now was a D1SC car for years but the owner was continuously fighting with belt slip issues and eventually wanted more power but didn't want to step up to a D1X or F-series blower so he went turbo.
Some guys have no problems for years as mentioned above and others have nothing but issues which may or may not user errors.
The car I own now was a D1SC car for years but the owner was continuously fighting with belt slip issues and eventually wanted more power but didn't want to step up to a D1X or F-series blower so he went turbo.
Some guys have no problems for years as mentioned above and others have nothing but issues which may or may not user errors.
Like has been stated, for a lot of guys it’s cost. I’m currently running a d1sc but will be going turbo next year due to cost. I’ve pretty much maxed out the little d1 and a new bigger blower is $5k+. With a turbo you can turn it up or down whenever you want vs with a blower you have to pull the blower to change the pulley. Also, more room to grow with a turbo than a ProCharger depending on which one you get. I went 5.90s but I think I might be able to squeeze a 5.70 out of it before I pull it off.
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centri's just build boost too slow. and they don't sound good. at that point you might as well go turbo. if I can go roots or PD that's my route. you just can't beat the instant boost hit and the whine sound. whipple 3.0 would be amazing and I'd take that over any centri.
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Im in the process of finishing up a custom mount for my D1sc on my 2000 camaro.
What took me so long was I didnt want to mount it down below on an aster and wanted it up top on the passenger side.
I ended up going with the LSSimple bracket and cutting it up then making another bracket to stiffen it up.
Just need to powdercoat it all and then a tensioner.
I love the sound of a procharger and we run one on my dads pro street s10 so I went that route. I didnt want to deal with bump boxes and transbrakes (Minor excuse), I like to stage and just grab the transbrake.
I will say though looking into what I have into cost of double keying crank, the procharger, balancer, pulleys, bracketry, and more I would have saved a lot of time and money going turbos.
In my gut I feel my build will outrun the procharger so either going to send the procharger off to be done into a D1X or just wait and next winter go turbo'd.
What took me so long was I didnt want to mount it down below on an aster and wanted it up top on the passenger side.
I ended up going with the LSSimple bracket and cutting it up then making another bracket to stiffen it up.
Just need to powdercoat it all and then a tensioner.
I love the sound of a procharger and we run one on my dads pro street s10 so I went that route. I didnt want to deal with bump boxes and transbrakes (Minor excuse), I like to stage and just grab the transbrake.
I will say though looking into what I have into cost of double keying crank, the procharger, balancer, pulleys, bracketry, and more I would have saved a lot of time and money going turbos.
In my gut I feel my build will outrun the procharger so either going to send the procharger off to be done into a D1X or just wait and next winter go turbo'd.
Im in the process of finishing up a custom mount for my D1sc on my 2000 camaro.
What took me so long was I didnt want to mount it down below on an aster and wanted it up top on the passenger side.
I ended up going with the LSSimple bracket and cutting it up then making another bracket to stiffen it up.
Just need to powdercoat it all and then a tensioner.
I love the sound of a procharger and we run one on my dads pro street s10 so I went that route. I didnt want to deal with bump boxes and transbrakes (Minor excuse), I like to stage and just grab the transbrake.
I will say though looking into what I have into cost of double keying crank, the procharger, balancer, pulleys, bracketry, and more I would have saved a lot of time and money going turbos.
In my gut I feel my build will outrun the procharger so either going to send the procharger off to be done into a D1X or just wait and next winter go turbo'd.
What took me so long was I didnt want to mount it down below on an aster and wanted it up top on the passenger side.
I ended up going with the LSSimple bracket and cutting it up then making another bracket to stiffen it up.
Just need to powdercoat it all and then a tensioner.
I love the sound of a procharger and we run one on my dads pro street s10 so I went that route. I didnt want to deal with bump boxes and transbrakes (Minor excuse), I like to stage and just grab the transbrake.
I will say though looking into what I have into cost of double keying crank, the procharger, balancer, pulleys, bracketry, and more I would have saved a lot of time and money going turbos.
In my gut I feel my build will outrun the procharger so either going to send the procharger off to be done into a D1X or just wait and next winter go turbo'd.
He said it would slip or kick the belt altogether, he tried grip pullies and adding pullies to improve belt wrap and nothing seemed to help.
That doesn't even begin to touch the cooling issues he had due to the fan design you have to run.
He dynoed the car at 15 lbs. and made around 650whp iirc and when he switched to the S484 he made 732whp on 12 lbs. with the trans slipping top of third.
I bought the car, fixed the trans and the car now makes a hair over 14 lbs. so its gotta be pretty close to 800whp and the car is actually quite pleasant to drive versus where it was.
Just as an example.
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So the guy that owned my car before me started running into belt slip issues when he moved to the smallest pulley and started running over 10-12 lbs. of boost.
He said it would slip or kick the belt altogether, he tried grip pullies and adding pullies to improve belt wrap and nothing seemed to help.
That doesn't even begin to touch the cooling issues he had due to the fan design you have to run.
He dynoed the car at 15 lbs. and made around 650whp iirc and when he switched to the S484 he made 732whp on 12 lbs. with the trans slipping top of third.
I bought the car, fixed the trans and the car now makes a hair over 14 lbs. so its gotta be pretty close to 800whp and the car is actually quite pleasant to drive versus where it was.
Just as an example.
He said it would slip or kick the belt altogether, he tried grip pullies and adding pullies to improve belt wrap and nothing seemed to help.
That doesn't even begin to touch the cooling issues he had due to the fan design you have to run.
He dynoed the car at 15 lbs. and made around 650whp iirc and when he switched to the S484 he made 732whp on 12 lbs. with the trans slipping top of third.
I bought the car, fixed the trans and the car now makes a hair over 14 lbs. so its gotta be pretty close to 800whp and the car is actually quite pleasant to drive versus where it was.
Just as an example.
I have an end goal of 9's on the track but truly just want to chase no prep stuff. Not sure where I want to run boost but thinking I can limit belt slip with a smiliar setup to what we run on the s10.
Cooling issues I am not to worried about. Put the dual fans back onto a Griffin stand up radiator. Tube front bumper support with under shrouding removed to allow a lot of air flow.