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Old Jan 30, 2025 | 10:04 PM
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1998 C5 Stock LS1, 2 bar OS SD, 80lb injectors, 525lph pump, Hotwire kit, E85, BR7EF plugs gapped at .23, D585 Truck coils, MSD plug wires 10-11psi max.

Breaking up/misfiring under boost bad. AFR spikes to 20+ when it does this. Almost sounds like antilag and it spools my turbo up fast. Sometimes shoots visible flames aswell and sounds like gunshots. Ive replaced my wires, coils, and plugs. The very first pull on brand new plugs is the only pull that it didnt backfire on. Not sure what the problem is at this point maybe grounds? Starts happening at 6+ psi now, used to happen earlier but the truck coils seem to have delayed it slightly. I can roll into boost slightly fine up to about 5-6 psi before it happens. Any suggestions?
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Old Jan 31, 2025 | 06:37 AM
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I would be looking into plugs and wires first. MSD doesnt mean they are good. Grounds? Voltage?
What is AFR before it starts spiking? Losing fuel pressure? Genuine injectors and pump? We really need datalogs....
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"Any suggestions?"
Yep.... Data log it and post the log and the tune.
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Agreed with log and tune.
At a glance I'd lean toward plugs and wires, BR7EF's might be too cold for what you're doing right now, I run those up to 14-15 lbs. on pump gas currently gapped at .022 iirc, E85 may need more heat at lower boost.
Maybe one step hotter plug and genuine GM plug wires, I've had issues with MSD plug wires in the past.
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What does the timing look like in the log when its missing? Does the AFR spike rich or lean right before it happens? MAP sensor reading vs gauge readings in boost?

Lots of questions here.
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Old Jan 31, 2025 | 12:55 PM
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What RPM does it do it at.
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Old Jan 31, 2025 | 03:15 PM
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Grease, Silicon, is used on the sparkplug insulators.
Did you use this item on your sparkplug boots ?
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What RPM does it do it at.
Any RPM, it’s boost dependent.
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Originally Posted by AwesomeAuto
What does the timing look like in the log when its missing? Does the AFR spike rich or lean right before it happens? MAP sensor reading vs gauge readings in boost?

Lots of questions here.
I’ll send a log and tune in a second, it spikes lean to 20+ AFR. Map sensor reading vs boost gauge is pretty spot on
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Old Jan 31, 2025 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by IGN-1A
Grease, Silicon, is used on the sparkplug insulators.
Did you use this item on your sparkplug boots ?
No I didn’t, plug wires are brand new, had them on the car for 2 days now. Changed out coils and wires to see if it’d fix it.
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Agreed with log and tune.
At a glance I'd lean toward plugs and wires, BR7EF's might be too cold for what you're doing right now, I run those up to 14-15 lbs. on pump gas currently gapped at .022 iirc, E85 may need more heat at lower boost.
Maybe one step hotter plug and genuine GM plug wires, I've had issues with MSD plug wires in the past.
The plugs are tuner recommendation, I asked if I should use a 6 plug and he said to stay with 7s. I had GM wires on it and it was still doing it. Just found out the old coils I switched yesterday for the trucks are knock off amazon coils.
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I would be looking into plugs and wires first. MSD doesnt mean they are good. Grounds? Voltage?
What is AFR before it starts spiking? Losing fuel pressure? Genuine injectors and pump? We really need datalogs....
Haven’t check FP yet, the MSD plugs are 2 days old. Just put them on the car. I just cleaned the coil ground yesterday, had old like heat wrap on it peeling off but was pretty clean. AFR before spiking is in the 12s. Will send log and tune in a second. I think i might’ve fouled my plugs out with the old crappy coils because the car did work when i put brand new plugs in for one single pull then it got progressively worse each time.
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Almost always plug wires... I've had enough issues when I didn't use OE ones I won't use anything else

The cheap coils are also unreliable

Misfire will cause lean readings
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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 02:56 PM
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I have no clue what my actual problem was but switching back to 93 has fixed it. maybe not enough fuel system for E
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Do you have a log showing injector duty and fuel pressure?
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You looking at the fuel trims and injector cycle OP?
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The last time this happened to me, it was plug wires. I used a multimeter to test the resistance of each of them and found a couple of duds.
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Originally Posted by AwesomeAuto
The last time this happened to me, it was plug wires. I used a multimeter to test the resistance of each of them and found a couple of duds.
What kind of reading are you looking for?
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Other than consistency between the wires? Making sure that one of them doesn't have extremely high ohms. Even a cheap set should have less than 500 ohms between the terminals. Finding one with 8k ohms is usually an obvious sign of a problem.
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Haven’t check FP yet,
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Carl Wegner stated the same "No Grease".
We were at Fontata, A GNW race, four cars with Wegner engines.
I TOLD him to use the grease I brought to the race, A Silicon base for SPW boots.
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