Best cubes for high hp w/ blower?
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This is sort of a side question about this post, but with the guys running stock cubes to slighlty over, why is it that you prefer staying close to stock /over going with something like a 427 or larger. i thought i would ask, b/c i plan on going to something like a 427 or 430ish range, and wanted to get your opinions on this, im looking for something in the 800rwhp range, and yes this is going to be a daily driver, basic setup in mind is 427, or 436 forged internals, and bottom end, redone suspension,TH400 with GV overdrive, ford 9 inch with 3.56-3.73, F.A.S.T system, and the elminator kit from LS1 speed, making around 10-13,15lbs of boost, with alcohol injection, thanks guys for your thoughts
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well that was one of the things i was thinking about, yeah as most money is an issue, highway patrolmen dont make that much, but this is going to take a couple of years to see finalized, no it wont be a c5r, more than likely its going to be a 427-436 built by ARE. im basically just trying to figure out why the larger cubes are a hinderence as opposed to a positive, being able to reach to power of stock to slightly over cubes, at a lower boost level, and with the intercooler, and injection help to deter the detonation issue, but any ideas or opinions would be appreciated
Hey David,
If you want to keep your a/c the best Turbo route would be the PTK kit. Some guy running their old (not as good as the newer GEN II kit) LT1 kit just ran a 10.1 at 150 mph!!!!!! This was with a 355ci motor and 20 psi at 36xx lbs. The LS1 kit will be BADASS!!
This will also be the only kit out of the 3 (TTi race kit and Ls1speed) that will keep the a/c (LS1 speed uses the TTi hot parts). Again, not knocking those kits at all, becasue they are making mad power and will continue to put down some nasty times, but the PTK has a better true "street car" design.
Call Jose with FI at 256-658-5798 to get some more info on the PTK kit
or call Ls1speed about theirs. I know the F-1 is a damn good blower and is capable of a **** load of power(which is obvious, just look what Gordon is doing, 830rwhp and still working out the kinks), but IMHO the turbo systems are a better way to go.
As far as the tranys go, most venders make a bolt-in th400. I would talk to an few poeple that run one like KP. He would know more about that than me.
Dj--I thing the reason people are not going to the larger cubed motors for 800hp is because of cost and the fact that they don’t have too. I’m sure everyone would love a 427, but 347ci is enough to run low 8’s in some cars. IMHO if you need to go faster than that in a street car, just go BBC.
Later,
Dave
If you want to keep your a/c the best Turbo route would be the PTK kit. Some guy running their old (not as good as the newer GEN II kit) LT1 kit just ran a 10.1 at 150 mph!!!!!! This was with a 355ci motor and 20 psi at 36xx lbs. The LS1 kit will be BADASS!!
This will also be the only kit out of the 3 (TTi race kit and Ls1speed) that will keep the a/c (LS1 speed uses the TTi hot parts). Again, not knocking those kits at all, becasue they are making mad power and will continue to put down some nasty times, but the PTK has a better true "street car" design.
Call Jose with FI at 256-658-5798 to get some more info on the PTK kit
or call Ls1speed about theirs. I know the F-1 is a damn good blower and is capable of a **** load of power(which is obvious, just look what Gordon is doing, 830rwhp and still working out the kinks), but IMHO the turbo systems are a better way to go.
As far as the tranys go, most venders make a bolt-in th400. I would talk to an few poeple that run one like KP. He would know more about that than me.
Dj--I thing the reason people are not going to the larger cubed motors for 800hp is because of cost and the fact that they don’t have too. I’m sure everyone would love a 427, but 347ci is enough to run low 8’s in some cars. IMHO if you need to go faster than that in a street car, just go BBC.
Later,
Dave
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Verdad Gallardo Regarding ARE I don't know that I would use them right now, might be a little rocky over there right now.
A 427ci could cost $15-20K by itself for what you want, up to $25K in some cases, might want to keep that in mind.
A 427ci could cost $15-20K by itself for what you want, up to $25K in some cases, might want to keep that in mind.
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super dave z, thanks for chiming in, i appreciate the feedback, i wanted to go with bigger cubes less boost, just so that the motor wouldnt be under so much stress from the boost, i understand that a 347 forged block can take a lot of abuse, and my hats off to all the guys running those setups b/c the are phenominal, but like i said earlier in the post, this is going to take a couple of years to finalize, so a time frame im not really worried about, the suspension, trans, and all that i already know what im going to run, and on a side note, b/c like i said wanting to run more cubes, and less boost, that would allow me if i wanted to, to stretch the "potential" of the 427, so that if i wanted to, i could raise the boost, and go over the 800rwhp mark that is my goal
A 427 would be okay if you want to make 800 at the wheels on 10# of boost and pump gas 
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ht=performance
A Darton wet sleeve would be plenty strong for that power level. If anyone wants to tell you otherwise, talk to Steve at RED.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ht=performance
A Darton wet sleeve would be plenty strong for that power level. If anyone wants to tell you otherwise, talk to Steve at RED.
Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
Regarding ARE I don't know that I would use them right now, might be a little rocky over there right now.
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Originally Posted by Scott 98Z M6
Biggest understatement ever.....
I had 2 motors done by them. Both had problems. They fixed it the first time but the second time they left me out to dry. Don't go to ARE. They still owe me a rev kit and a LS6 intake.
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Originally Posted by djcom80429770
well that was one of the things i was thinking about, yeah as most money is an issue, highway patrolmen dont make that much, but this is going to take a couple of years to see finalized, no it wont be a c5r, more than likely its going to be a 427-436 built by ARE. im basically just trying to figure out why the larger cubes are a hinderence as opposed to a positive, being able to reach to power of stock to slightly over cubes, at a lower boost level, and with the intercooler, and injection help to deter the detonation issue, but any ideas or opinions would be appreciated
A) You need a very large piston dish to reach any kind of sane compression level for a blower. This is bad for 2 reasons. One is more dish volume means less mass in the piston crown, which makes for a weaker piston. Two you're going to need to spend some $$$ for some custom pistons to get that compression down.
B) For a 427 you're going to need to go with a C5R block or a sleeved aluminum block. Both of those cost a LOT of money over a standard iron block or your stock aluminum block, and for what? A few extra ft-lbs of torque over a 408?
C) Availability of replacement parts. Melt down a piston or bust up some ringlands in a stock bore/4" stroke iron block 402, what are you going to do? Go buy a set of off the shelf .030 over pistons, and rebuild your motor. Melt down a piston in your sleeved 4.125" bore aluminum block, what are you going to do? First, curse your *** off for going with such a large bore and expensive block in the first place, then decide if you're going to resleeve it or just sell it off and start off fresh.
Also, why are you planning on running alcohol injection? Instead of following the LS1tech way and building a 9:1 or 9.5:1 motor, let the blower do the work. Run 8.5:1 compression or even lower, and you'll make 800 RWHP on pump gas without much effort, and not have to deal with alcohol.