STS Patent
Staging Lane
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From: South of Boston, Ma
There is a patent on it, but it's a little vague. It's not really enforceable. Read it here, and you'll understand. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/6,745,568
Any patent that has been granted is "enforceable"
There's a reason companies like IBM go on patent binges for things most people consider "unenforceable" (like standard computer software techniques).
Having written several patents, let me tell ya -- getting a patent is easy. All it really takes is the ability to describe your invention in completely formal, and ussually incomphrensible terms, and a) no one else has patented what you want to patent, or b) you are able to justify how your invention is different from theirs.
The STS patent is type b.
Patent defense isn't really defense. It's offense. Patent holder A discovers company B is infringing on his patent. He then goes after B. Generally speaking, you are required to prove that: 1) the infringement impacts your core business, 2) that there really is an infringement. The person being sued tries to prove that 1) there is no infringement (since cases don't get far if there isn't, this is rare), 2) that the patent is invalid on its face (very tough), 3) that he developed his method prior to the patent being issued. Patent cases rarely go to court (probably true of all litigation) -- most often they are settled by the "infringer" paying a licensing fee.
Patent infringement law firms exist just for this purpose and do work on contigency after the initial retainer.
Rick's patent mainly revolves around the oil system, but also addresses remote mounting in a specifc manner (below the oil systems -- I forget the actual language). Since no one was doing remote mounts, or hp oil systems, this appears to be very enforcable to me...
There's a reason companies like IBM go on patent binges for things most people consider "unenforceable" (like standard computer software techniques).
Having written several patents, let me tell ya -- getting a patent is easy. All it really takes is the ability to describe your invention in completely formal, and ussually incomphrensible terms, and a) no one else has patented what you want to patent, or b) you are able to justify how your invention is different from theirs.
The STS patent is type b.
Patent defense isn't really defense. It's offense. Patent holder A discovers company B is infringing on his patent. He then goes after B. Generally speaking, you are required to prove that: 1) the infringement impacts your core business, 2) that there really is an infringement. The person being sued tries to prove that 1) there is no infringement (since cases don't get far if there isn't, this is rare), 2) that the patent is invalid on its face (very tough), 3) that he developed his method prior to the patent being issued. Patent cases rarely go to court (probably true of all litigation) -- most often they are settled by the "infringer" paying a licensing fee.
Patent infringement law firms exist just for this purpose and do work on contigency after the initial retainer.
Rick's patent mainly revolves around the oil system, but also addresses remote mounting in a specifc manner (below the oil systems -- I forget the actual language). Since no one was doing remote mounts, or hp oil systems, this appears to be very enforcable to me...
Last edited by TurboBerserker; Dec 23, 2004 at 07:15 AM.
Staging Lane
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 93
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From: South of Boston, Ma
Originally Posted by TurboBerserker
Any patent that has been granted is "enforceable"
Rick's patent mainly revolves around the oil system, but also addresses remote mounting in a specifc manner (below the oil systems -- I forget the actual language). Since no one was doing remote mounts, or hp oil systems, this appears to be very enforcable to me...
Rick's patent mainly revolves around the oil system, but also addresses remote mounting in a specifc manner (below the oil systems -- I forget the actual language). Since no one was doing remote mounts, or hp oil systems, this appears to be very enforcable to me...
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Originally Posted by JRL96TA
There are ways around this patent. If you can't see that then oh well.
IMO this patent is very specific in terms of what it protects. If you can't see that, then talk to your patent attorney
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Originally Posted by TurboBerserker
Of course I can. I basically outlined them. Of course, if you are going "around this patent" then you aren't really infringing the IP then are you?
IMO this patent is very specific in terms of what it protects. If you can't see that, then talk to your patent attorney
IMO this patent is very specific in terms of what it protects. If you can't see that, then talk to your patent attorney
Your sig is great!
And I've already thought about ways around it, for now though making a few kits for my friends will not violate anyones rights no matter how I make them, long as they are not being sold as a sts clone.
true... Dont think they care if you make one for yourself, just think they might raise an eyebrow if you became a sponser and sold "Terms Rearmount Turbo Systems" and they operated and looked much like their design.
Originally Posted by term
Your sig is great!
And I've already thought about ways around it, for now though making a few kits for my friends will not violate anyones rights no matter how I make them, long as they are not being sold as a sts clone.
And I've already thought about ways around it, for now though making a few kits for my friends will not violate anyones rights no matter how I make them, long as they are not being sold as a sts clone.
