dont even bother with the assclown, 13 posts? Are you kidding me...f@ck off blowntroll

Works well for me... the haters can kiss my Converse like Sho Nuf said!

Make the power the way YOU wanna make it. Screw everyone elses opinions. Can the STS kit make good power and run good track times? Yes, it's been proven. Does it do it as well as a front mount? Probably not but who gives a flying leap. DoWhatYalike......

The slow ET comes from the short time, 60'
turbo's will generally not be so great out of the hole unless there is a trans brake involved. 6 spd cars can dump the clutch if properly setup to do so, but ultimately a T400 with trans brake should show some nice times. But...once you are out of the hole and boosting, you are flying! This can be great for the street as well because it will allow you to launch without severely burning the tires...

with a glide it would be even better.

I don't really understand why people are trying to make these out to be drag racing kits. I never looked at STS that way. To me, the kit is meant for the street, designed for the steet and people that aren't hard core drag racers, it's a kick *** street only kit.

The STS kit can make power. It has already made alot of power on alot of cars but it takes more than power to get down the track.
My 03 cobra went low 11s on radials @3800 pounds and that same day I watched an STS f body run low 13s with the same power and it was 300 pounds lighter.

The driver of the F body couldnt get the space shuttle in the 12s if he tried.

Give me a 6 speed F body with tires and an STS kit and I will get it well into the 11's

**** off yourself. Just because I havn't been here for 5 years and made thousands of posts doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to voice my opinion any less than you should.

I've been around turbo cars for a while, I've built a few myself. I've seen the gains from going to a log style manifold to a tubular style on a conventional setup, so why not on a rear mounted setup? If you have anything to back up why headers are worth nothing, other than because STS said so, I'd love to hear it.

Try the search feature... its your friend.

yep it works well....

Actually, There is a guy in Vegas who switched to a larger turbo with longtube headers and a cam. If i recall correctly, he is getting another 150 or so foot pounds out of the car.

I'll look around the forums and see if I can locate the thread.

But I don't see the problem with BlownZ's logic.

If headers increase gas velocity, and the temperature of the gasses, and evacuate cylinder pressure more quickly, why wouldn't the turbo spool faster, why wouldn't you be able to run more power at the same boost level?

I know for a fact that alot of turbo guys were looking for ways to reverse shorties on the F-body to get more power when the turbo kits started coming out. Over on LS1.com there was a huge argument over one companie's turbo kit about that exact thing.

But then again, like I said before, the main reason I like the STS kit so much is that I can strap it on and go. I don't need to be the fastest car around. I DO need to keep the SEG on my face though.

I wouldn't worry about the STS track times until some more serious racers try them out. Hell, I remember when I decided to put a Magnacharger on my Camaro project that people said 500 rwhp wasn't possible. They said 10s weren't possible too.

Wrong on both counts. 505 rwhp on 93 octane and 10.8s on the first visit with slicks to the track.

As for the header thing on the STS kit, I would also think headers would help out. Speed up that exhaust velocity, spin the turbos quicker.

For all the talk of a stock LS1 camaro getting into the 12's, a stock converter in an LS1 just doesn't launch well. From 3000 rpm at a roll, it's a different car altogether. Then there's the weak second gear from a roll issue.

The point is that the power is there. People who are running good times with any LS1 f-body are experienced drivers, the A4 cars have decent stalls, many have a little suspension work, as well as sticky tires.

There should be an STS Hater FAQ that covers the answers so far to all of these:

1/4 Mile Times are slower
Not many timeslips/videos posted
Not a serious drag racing kit
Not drag-racing champion-proven like Procharger
Not as good as front mount/No one is making 1000 hp
Not as cheap as Nitrous
Not any cheaper than a front-mount with the same capabilities when you add everything up
Lag must be HORRIBLE
It Just Won't Work/Violates the laws of physics/only heat drives turbos and all the heat is dissipated, etc
Catalytic converter will break, send loose pieces through, and grenade the turbo

After this, we could list the quibbles - Have to give up driver-side SFC, Does charge pipe act as intercooler, "someone could steal it underneath the car," and the header/exhaust arguments. If that doesn't cover most of what we've seen in the last 6 months, feel free to add to the list.

The times will be there. I can't wait, because it will shut people up. Even with "just" the T-60/meth cranked all the way up, I know I'll run good times. If it just wasn't 12 degrees F in Kansas City right now....

You know, that comment you made about the converter and some suspension is really true. I put a SY3500 on my '99 Trans Am and changes out the entire rear suspension and went from a 13.6 at 103 w/a 2.3 60' to a 12.9 at 106.6 with a 1.89 60' on all season radials.

I think turbo cars and high stall autos would be amazing at the track. Just save up alot to get the trannys beefed up

I agree, I really want to learn more information about this because I just don't see how it could work for all of the reasons your listed. Its just so different I cant understand it.

I love how most poeple who bash it have never been in a car with it. From first hand I will say the sts kit rips! It is not a drag kit without a 2 step or slick but then again no turbo set up is. The thing fly's on the highway! All the daubters have to first be in a sts car and drive one before talking. BlownZ Purevl does no cause he has the highest hp sts car but thanks for posting have a good day!

And all of the STS leg humpers need to drive in a traditionaly setup turbo car.

im in boston come bring it, as for your comment the man who built mine has a gn, and a turbofirehawk under his belt, I been in both plenty. Whats your point, my car spools just like the t76 qmp kit he has. Like I said your in the same neck of the woods, Come for a ride and talk ****.

Man You guys need to play NICE- Jesh!

I feel the same way PurEvl feels.
Every time someone starts one of these threads, it turns into a pissing match.
And there are times we start a thread that shoves all the "it can't do that" B.S. into someones face, the thread gets auto-magically locked and deleted.

There is a major bias against the Rear Turbo. I think it is not as bad as 6 months ago, but it is still there.

What some people call , is just us actual "OWNERS" sharing the facts and potential of the kit.

There is a place for this kit. Just sorry so many people are ignorant of where it places. And it is NOT just marketing.