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Old 02-02-2005 | 10:54 PM
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I think we were at 12 degree's of timing at spoolup and 14 degree's up top with A/F at 10.5-1 at spool and 11-1 the rest. No KR was present.
Also tried higher timing but it spooled slow and didn't make any more power but did KR alittle.
Only 93 octain pump gas,street driven/tuned
that is prety sweet, my timing is about where yours is. 92 octane. prety decent sized cam wich i think should bleed off some cylinder presure.

sounds like that exhaust presure might really be holding me back. can't wait to try the new header.
Old 02-02-2005 | 11:07 PM
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You also have to take into account that your truck is alot heavier to move.I would try less timing and more boost.
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
You also have to take into account that your truck is alot heavier to move.I would try less timing and more boost.
less than 13deg?

i guess, what can it hurt to try. i am really kind of just pissing in the wind till i get that new header though. i bet there is 50+hp right there.
Old 02-03-2005 | 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by parish8
less than 13deg?

i guess, what can it hurt to try. i am really kind of just pissing in the wind till i get that new header though. i bet there is 50+hp right there.
I have run 9-10 degree's on heavy trucks running STS kit's. Doesn't hurt to try
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No kidding that header and downpipe is gonna help a ton. I was thinking of applying for the pump gas drags. Just not sure of all the safety stuff. You must be putting in a cage and axle retention devices and all that good stuff huh.
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I have my STS gt 67 camaro on 10.5 psi for high boost on a stock motor with a 224/224/112 cam. I'm able to run 10.5 psi on 91 octane (intercooled). My timing at the tq peak is 12 at 3200, 11 from 3600-4800, 12 at 5200, 13 at 5600, 14 at 6000 and 15 at 6400.

What i've found is that on 5 psi that at the tq peak it won't take much more timing, about 2 degrees, but it will take more boost without knocking. I thought that with the lower temps due to the intercooler i'd be able to add more timing at the tq peak, but i've found I can only bump it a little.

With our daytime temps in the mid 60's I've had zero knock.
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Open up that exhaust housing and the 3.5" DP will help wonders. You will make more power on pump gas spraying water injection and cranking up the boost, no question. Like I mentioned earlier, there was a guy at the pump gas drags last year that made 930 RWHP out of a twin turbo 337" ford motor, spraying water injection. You won't do that on turbo + nitrous without the water, I can tell you that.
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No kidding that header and downpipe is gonna help a ton. I was thinking of applying for the pump gas drags. Just not sure of all the safety stuff. You must be putting in a cage and axle retention devices and all that good stuff huh.
i plan on a 5 point roll bar, harness, driveshaft loop and whatever other little stuff is required. i dont know anything about the axle retention device. isn't that one of those things you need if you are running slicks? if i get to go it will be on stock firestone at tires.
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faster than 11.5 you need c clip eliminator set up or equivalent
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Big ol' heavy truck is load city.

I'd like to hear more about this 930rwhp setup, what else you know about it evil?
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
Big ol' heavy truck is load city.

I'd like to hear more about this 930rwhp setup, what else you know about it evil?
4.060 bore, 3.25 stroke, 8.25:1 compression, all billet internals, twin T66's (IIRC .84 A/R P-trim), 3.5" downpipes, big heads, big intake, big solid cam, and a glide. I believe he was turning it to around 7500 RPM's. He posts on turbomustangs.com as "DASHIP" and he's from St. Louis, that's about all I know.
Old 02-03-2005 | 06:28 PM
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Sounds sweet.

Maybe after I run some decent race gas numbers I will see what I can do on pump gas witha smaller blower pulley at the end of the year.
Old 02-03-2005 | 06:59 PM
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Wouldn't the Disc brakes on the rearend act as an Axle-retention device?

Or is that not NHRA legal?
Old 02-03-2005 | 07:18 PM
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i dont think so.. i'm not firm on that ET but its something.
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i just came across this

http://www.procharger.com/chevy_nova.shtml
Old 02-03-2005 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MIGHTYMOUSE
My boss was actually there when they did that back to back run.That's what you call "Stupid Fast Street Car"
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Originally Posted by parish8
i am looking to absolutly maximize my pump gas hp. i can not use alkey injecton but i can use nitrous or water injection. i just sent in my application to the hotrod pump gas drags and am geting ahead of myself i know but thats how i am. the fuel is 93octane

i have some plans, better flowing header and exhaust are on top of my list but other than that i think i need to maximize my tune.

i have made about 30gtech runs in the last few days and figured out a prety good mix of boost/fuel and timing to get 0KR and nice power. now i am looking at tosing nitrous into the mix too. would pulling 1lb of boost and running a 35shot give me more knock free power or is boost only the way to fly. this will be a dry shot with the injectors adding the extra fuel. anyone have any experience or oponions here.
I know it upsets John when I say it, but I am on 93 Oct 822RWHP. I will be at 900RWHP by the end of next week. 1000RWHP on pump gas by the end of March. Supercharger install
Old 02-03-2005 | 09:43 PM
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No upset over here, good luck with your new setup.
Old 02-03-2005 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by parish8
how do you like this?

Looks good. Are you mocking that up yourself, or is it a new CMotorsports part?
Old 02-03-2005 | 11:27 PM
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I say definetely spray it. I picked up 63rwhp from a wet kit jetted for "50hp" with my old combo running 8lbs of boost, 17º total timing on 93octane. Inlet temp also dropped well over 80º



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