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Originally Posted by JZ 97 SS 1500
You are correct, 987rwhp will require race fuel. These cars though with 6spd tranny's and driving sane, should be no problem knocking down 25mpg on the highway.
Jose
Jose
Yeah I know someone with a D-1SC making close to 500 @ the wheels (last time he had it on the rollers) and was still knocking down close to 28~30 mpg (extended highway trips) with 3.73s. This is all doable, but will cost some coin, and the more you can do yourself the better off you are, that way you learn something, save yourself the labor costs, and can fix it when it breaks. Also smart to do it in stages. Do the research now, and oh, dump the idea of n2o on a turbo setup, unless you REALLY need to make BIG power and spool the turbos, else, with the right setup, it's a waste.
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So with a cam, heads, headers, tuning, and a few other minor upgrades like gears, suspension, and fuel items is it possible to hit 500 rwhp. Also if I pick the right setup could I keep all these parts and add nitrous and/or a turbo if so what do I need to look for. I plan on having the engine blueprinted and balanced and bored if necessary before I do the turbo and/or nitrous. My goal is to have between 450 and 550 wo any power adders and then if I decided I want to get more serious then go ahead and add more and get somewhere between 750-950 rwhp.
Originally Posted by JZ 97 SS 1500
You are correct, 987rwhp will require race fuel. These cars though with 6spd tranny's and driving sane, should be no problem knocking down 25mpg on the highway.
Jose
Jose
ummm....i'll be making at least 987rwhp on 93 octane straight pump gas without the aid of N2O. i'm looking at making at least 1200 fwhp, and hoping for as much as 1300 with my sbc 427 TT setup listed below. notice though that i said sbc and not LS1...don't be hatin'.
Dave
Last edited by PRAY HRD; Mar 2, 2005 at 09:34 PM.
Originally Posted by PRAY HRD
yea no ****! i've never added it up before, but somehow that's the exact same figure my wife keeps telling me it's gonna cost...i'll just pretend you didn't say that so i don't have to tell her she's right. lol. and i still have to freshen the motor and have new pistons dropped in to bring down my 10.5:1CR to a more turbo friendly one and fully port the heads......there's another $3000. and when i step up to either a Rossler or TSI TH400, that'll be another $4500 roughly.
it all adds up. i have a bonafied addiction. no, i'm not kidding. i can't stop nor will i til this car is done. it's almost cost my marriage a couple times because this is not the fist setup i've done on this car. i have put in nearly $20,000 besides all that and changed my mind and sold it all for about a 50-75% loss depending on the part. that's always getting thrown in my face, but for good reason because i haven't bought us a house yet. i've bought 3 camaros, 1 mint, 1 somewhat set up for racing, and one shell, all within 2 years. i've taken big loss' on ALL of them, mostly because i change my mind all the damn time. anyone know a good shrink????????????????????
later,
Dave
it all adds up. i have a bonafied addiction. no, i'm not kidding. i can't stop nor will i til this car is done. it's almost cost my marriage a couple times because this is not the fist setup i've done on this car. i have put in nearly $20,000 besides all that and changed my mind and sold it all for about a 50-75% loss depending on the part. that's always getting thrown in my face, but for good reason because i haven't bought us a house yet. i've bought 3 camaros, 1 mint, 1 somewhat set up for racing, and one shell, all within 2 years. i've taken big loss' on ALL of them, mostly because i change my mind all the damn time. anyone know a good shrink????????????????????
later,
Dave
Sounds like a very nice set up... What compression are you going to run?
Dude as far as the shrink goes?? Well might have to agree with you on that one... Not because you are addicted to your cars, that part I fully understand, but get the house man! You are throwing away way too much $.
But for the record: I like your style!
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Originally Posted by Flipper
Sounds like a very nice set up... What compression are you going to run?
Dude as far as the shrink goes?? Well might have to agree with you on that one... Not because you are addicted to your cars, that part I fully understand, but get the house man! You are throwing away way too much $.
But for the record: I like your style!
Dude as far as the shrink goes?? Well might have to agree with you on that one... Not because you are addicted to your cars, that part I fully understand, but get the house man! You are throwing away way too much $.
But for the record: I like your style!
hey thanks man. not sure what the final CR will be, though i would estimate in the 8:1 range.
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If I were you, I would try and save up all the money and do it all in one shot. Reason being is I am a believer in doing things once and doing it right. I believe you need to match everything up, especially when it comes to the heads, cam, turbo setup, injectors, motor build-up, etc etc etc.
For instance you said you want headers....Now why do you want to do that? Your gonna need a custom turbo setup, so say bye bye to those headers....
My best advice would be to work your way backwards. Seriously consider what your getting yourself into and decide what is right. Then start deciding parts going backwards, do your suspension, the rear end, the tranny, then when you get up front, bang it all out at once having a reputable shop take care of all of it, where they'll be able to match up the cam for you application, match up the CR for the amount of boost you want to run, upgrade the parts of the motor necessary for the power you'll be running, and so on and so on.
Again this is only my opinion
For instance you said you want headers....Now why do you want to do that? Your gonna need a custom turbo setup, so say bye bye to those headers....
My best advice would be to work your way backwards. Seriously consider what your getting yourself into and decide what is right. Then start deciding parts going backwards, do your suspension, the rear end, the tranny, then when you get up front, bang it all out at once having a reputable shop take care of all of it, where they'll be able to match up the cam for you application, match up the CR for the amount of boost you want to run, upgrade the parts of the motor necessary for the power you'll be running, and so on and so on.
Again this is only my opinion
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yeah thats what Im thinking. I want to do the headers heads and cam now to give me some pretty decent HP but I want as much of it to be retainable when I step the car up. Then I want to build the chassis, suspension, tranny, clutch, rearend, and interior, and paint. Once thats finished then I can rebuild the motor and change anything with the engine that needs it and add my turbo and or nitrous.
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I don't have the money to throw at my car all the time and I need a dependable daily driver (15,000 miles a year). With only 420 rear wheel horsepower and 445 pounds of torque my rear end is already going out, I'll need a new clutch soon and another set of tires. No matter how much money you spend on your car it will never again be as cheap to own as it once was.
My car is faster then 99% of the cars here in Utah and its way too fast on the road anyway. I'm surrounded by minvans and family sedans here, I never get a chance to enjoy my car. Nobody has ever beat me racing during my daily commute and nobody did when my car was stock either. Cops are everywhere
My car is faster then 99% of the cars here in Utah and its way too fast on the road anyway. I'm surrounded by minvans and family sedans here, I never get a chance to enjoy my car. Nobody has ever beat me racing during my daily commute and nobody did when my car was stock either. Cops are everywhere
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Originally Posted by nvrstsfd23
yeah thats what Im thinking. I want to do the headers heads and cam now to give me some pretty decent HP but I want as much of it to be retainable when I step the car up. Then I want to build the chassis, suspension, tranny, clutch, rearend, and interior, and paint. Once thats finished then I can rebuild the motor and change anything with the engine that needs it and add my turbo and or nitrous.
If you plan on doing a turbo system, You might as well just wait to do your headers. You will more than likely NOT be able to use them (especially long tubes) as turbo manifolds. Unless you can cut, and fab really well. I don't quite understand you want to run the giggle gas on top of the turbo when you're gonna have no problems making the power you want with a well thought out, researched, and intercooled turbo system. Power now is a good thing, being able to put it to the ground is a better thing. I understand you probably won't be able to do it all at once, nor should you have to wait to upgrade all at once, but start with the little stuff now, like suspension and breaks, the things you can change in your driveway on a nice saturday afternoon. Work your way up from there. Research the parts first, buy the best parts for your budget and performance requirements, and go from there. Seems like you have that plan, but if I were you, save yourself some money and definately don't buy parts that you'll have to sell later because your new plan requires you get rid of them to make it work.
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[QUOTE=nvrstsfd23]yeah thats what Im thinking. I want to do the headers heads and cam now to give me some pretty decent HP but I want as much of it to be retainable when I step the car up. QUOTE]
From what I understand none of it will be retainable, unless you go with the parts that are setup for a turbo...but then you'll be losing power right now and your gains won't be nearly as much as a HC setup for NA....Am I making sense? i.e. there are HC setups for turbos that won't yield great results, and their are HC setups for NA that combined with a turbo will blow the crap out of your motor
The headers are out of the question, I don't believe there is a turbo setup that works with any aftermarket LT header, unless your looking into an STS system, but apparently STS systems don't benefit from LT headers.
If your dead set on a turbo setup, then make your HC combo one that will work real well with turbo, but I still recommend you do the front of the car at the same time
Anyone else, if I am wrong with any of my assumptions please tell me, I have no expierence with turbos, i've been just reading about SCs the past 10months or so and read a little bit about turbos at the same time
From what I understand none of it will be retainable, unless you go with the parts that are setup for a turbo...but then you'll be losing power right now and your gains won't be nearly as much as a HC setup for NA....Am I making sense? i.e. there are HC setups for turbos that won't yield great results, and their are HC setups for NA that combined with a turbo will blow the crap out of your motor
The headers are out of the question, I don't believe there is a turbo setup that works with any aftermarket LT header, unless your looking into an STS system, but apparently STS systems don't benefit from LT headers.
If your dead set on a turbo setup, then make your HC combo one that will work real well with turbo, but I still recommend you do the front of the car at the same time
Anyone else, if I am wrong with any of my assumptions please tell me, I have no expierence with turbos, i've been just reading about SCs the past 10months or so and read a little bit about turbos at the same time
Last edited by 2002 Trans Am; Mar 3, 2005 at 12:41 PM.
[QUOTE=2002 Trans Am] i agree with you, only reason being is because i just went through it. i was going to go na with a 408 stroker. i bought 1 7/8 hvmc lt headers from qtp and now cant even use them. they are still sitting new in the box and i need someone to buy it. plus pistons are different setup, cam is very important, along with other things. suspension though will be good either way, but i woudl recommend getting a tubular k member if you plan on going fi, cause it can only help with weight reduction and fitment.
Originally Posted by nvrstsfd23
yeah thats what Im thinking. I want to do the headers heads and cam now to give me some pretty decent HP but I want as much of it to be retainable when I step the car up. QUOTE]
From what I understand none of it will be retainable, unless you go with the parts that are setup for a turbo...but then you'll be losing power right now and your gains won't be nearly as much as a HC setup for NA....Am I making sense? i.e. there are HC setups for turbos that won't yield great results, and their are HC setups for NA that combined with a turbo will blow the crap out of your motor
The headers are out of the question, I don't believe there is a turbo setup that works with any aftermarket LT header, unless your looking into an STS system, but apparently STS systems don't benefit from LT headers.
If your dead set on a turbo setup, then make your HC combo one that will work real well with turbo, but I still recommend you do the front of the car at the same time
Anyone else, if I am wrong with any of my assumptions please tell me, I have no expierence with turbos, i've been just reading about SCs the past 10months or so and read a little bit about turbos at the same time
From what I understand none of it will be retainable, unless you go with the parts that are setup for a turbo...but then you'll be losing power right now and your gains won't be nearly as much as a HC setup for NA....Am I making sense? i.e. there are HC setups for turbos that won't yield great results, and their are HC setups for NA that combined with a turbo will blow the crap out of your motor
The headers are out of the question, I don't believe there is a turbo setup that works with any aftermarket LT header, unless your looking into an STS system, but apparently STS systems don't benefit from LT headers.
If your dead set on a turbo setup, then make your HC combo one that will work real well with turbo, but I still recommend you do the front of the car at the same time
Anyone else, if I am wrong with any of my assumptions please tell me, I have no expierence with turbos, i've been just reading about SCs the past 10months or so and read a little bit about turbos at the same time
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Oh yeah to add to your wishlist, from what I have read in some of I believe Nasty Ta's posts, the stock computer can't handle that type of power and you'll need to upgrade that as well.....Start watering that money tree
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yeah it's gnna get pricey but I not gng to jump into anything Im taking my time and doing the research to make sure I choose the right setup now and that it will work for whatever I decide to make my car into down the road.
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Originally Posted by nvrstsfd23
yeah it's gnna get pricey but I not gng to jump into anything Im taking my time and doing the research to make sure I choose the right setup now and that it will work for whatever I decide to make my car into down the road.
