convince me...nitrous VS FI
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convince me...nitrous VS FI i'm going to be building a forged 408 here hopefully...thing is, is that i won't have enough money to do the engine and a forced induction setup at the same time...it may be a year away...i don't want to change things around and i want good power in the mean time...thing is i don't like how you have to fill nitrous up and it's not an "all the time" power adder...what would be the best bet for me...i am a college student and i don't have tons of money...should i get a 408 w/AFR's and a custom futral cam...(11.1) compression (maybe top it off with a 200 shot) (will an eagle forged 408 handle that?)...or should i get the same thing but with a blower cam and a lower compression (8.5) so i can run boost...maybe a d-1sc or something?
Well let me be honest you will go faster cheaper with n2o. I just love FI cars and I don't want to fill a bottle either, but for what I have in my car I would be raping everyone with bigger motor and n2o. JMO I am sure if you buy some used parts/blower kit that you could cut some of the cost of a FI setup I still don't think it will be as fast for the money. So if you don't want to fill the bottle buy a blower/Turbo etc... If you want to save some money buy the nitrous kit and go down the road JMO. Have fun.
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i know, i know...i'm just not sure if i can afford it all at once...and i sure don't want to run an engine setup for boost without the boost...it will be slow...if i'm lucky i'll be able to do the forced induction as that is what i have always wanted...however we will see if it's possible and if this engine now holds out (101,000 miles)
N2O is an accident waiting to happen. Every motor running spray has an expiration
date somewhere, mostly due to abuse and overuse. Im not completly against it if
it is done right and in proportion to your hardware (motor). But one of these days your going to push that button and KABOOM!
date somewhere, mostly due to abuse and overuse. Im not completly against it if
it is done right and in proportion to your hardware (motor). But one of these days your going to push that button and KABOOM!
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Originally Posted by Lasershop
N2O is an accident waiting to happen. Every motor running spray has an expiration
date somewhere, mostly due to abuse and overuse. Im not completly against it if
it is done right and in proportion to your hardware (motor). But one of these days your going to push that button and KABOOM!
date somewhere, mostly due to abuse and overuse. Im not completly against it if
it is done right and in proportion to your hardware (motor). But one of these days your going to push that button and KABOOM!
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but i'm wanting more than a 408 with ls1 heads...however, maybe i should do that and get a different cam, keep my heads, and build a forged 408...then later on i can get some AFR heads and lower the compression enough to run a nice forced induction setup...what do you think...how much power would i get with ls1 heads?
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Nitrous is limited to the amount you are using and how big your bottle is. The more you use, the more times you have to refill it. I have nitrous now, but wanting to goto a supercharger. I can't tell how much it sucks when I want to blow someone's doors completely off and my bottle is low or empty. Also, big nitrous use requires a really good breathing motor. The engine has to be able to ingest the incoming air and fuel along with the nitrous mixture. Don't get me wrong. Nitrous is a great kick in the *** when activated and is simple to tune the car. I ran two years on my stock block without any problems because I never tried to lean it out. Since you have the 408 you can make it run smooth on the street, and unleash it with the spray. It really throws people off. The only down sides are like I said running out and beating up the motor.
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ive had both, turboing has come a long way since i did it. i remember, harlan, MM, myself, smokin hawk, we where some of the first FI cars on this board. however, i got out of it, my kit, wasnt so great, wanted a change, and im pretty happy with my conversion. for a street car turbo is the best way, like i used to say to cars on spray, race me 10 times in a row, no getting out of the car!!! but 1/4 mile at a time spray is fun as ****.
as for spray being dangeros, believe me, turbo/SC is just as bad.
and as for spray being cheeper. if it is, its not by much (to do it right that is) not an NX kit and a 150 shot. you start hitting it with 250 300 or more, and get a NOSzle system or derect port, man it aint cheep. stand alone fuel systems and regulators and safties and purges and so on and so on. its not as cheep as some would think.
you are in FL so I cant help you out down there, but i know if i was doing a turbo car W2W or Speed inc is where i would go (unless i did it myself working with ESP on a cusstom kit) or for spray, East Side performance is running some of the faster spray cars. right now we have 2 small motor cars going 9.6's and more on the way, and both my car and Gary's are going to go faster for sure. the season just started!!!!
either way, both setup have goods and bads. its what your wallet will let you do, and what you want from your car.
as for spray being dangeros, believe me, turbo/SC is just as bad.
and as for spray being cheeper. if it is, its not by much (to do it right that is) not an NX kit and a 150 shot. you start hitting it with 250 300 or more, and get a NOSzle system or derect port, man it aint cheep. stand alone fuel systems and regulators and safties and purges and so on and so on. its not as cheep as some would think.
you are in FL so I cant help you out down there, but i know if i was doing a turbo car W2W or Speed inc is where i would go (unless i did it myself working with ESP on a cusstom kit) or for spray, East Side performance is running some of the faster spray cars. right now we have 2 small motor cars going 9.6's and more on the way, and both my car and Gary's are going to go faster for sure. the season just started!!!!
either way, both setup have goods and bads. its what your wallet will let you do, and what you want from your car.
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Originally Posted by 777
but i'm wanting more than a 408 with ls1 heads...however, maybe i should do that and get a different cam, keep my heads, and build a forged 408...then later on i can get some AFR heads and lower the compression enough to run a nice forced induction setup...what do you think...how much power would i get with ls1 heads?
wanna save some bux, just forge your stock block. keep the stock heads but do a cam with comp 921's and some good pushrods. with the leftovers you can get a supercharger. if this ain't a race car for all out performance you don't need a 408 unless you like saying you have a 408.
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i think i would like the torque of the 408...plus the room for more...you know how it is...once you get a goal you make another one...i can get an
Eagle 408 ci :
-NEW GM 6.0l block
-Eagle 4.00" 4340 crank
-Eagle 6.125" H-beam rods
-Diamond pistons w\rings(flat or dish)
-Federal Mogul bearings
-ARP main studs
-balanced\blueprinted\assembled
for around 4000-4500
a 347 of the same caliber is going to run upwards of 3500 anyhow...so i figure what's the extra 500 bucks for a completly FRESH motor...i could get callies forged parts...but do you think i would need that much of an engine? it would be like a 1000 more
Eagle 408 ci :
-NEW GM 6.0l block
-Eagle 4.00" 4340 crank
-Eagle 6.125" H-beam rods
-Diamond pistons w\rings(flat or dish)
-Federal Mogul bearings
-ARP main studs
-balanced\blueprinted\assembled
for around 4000-4500
a 347 of the same caliber is going to run upwards of 3500 anyhow...so i figure what's the extra 500 bucks for a completly FRESH motor...i could get callies forged parts...but do you think i would need that much of an engine? it would be like a 1000 more
a forged 347 you can get for 2700 from our sponsors here.
don't forget you are adding 90 lbs with a 408 cause its iron.
the supercharger is gonna give you torque, its not like a stock block can't make good power.
With a 408, to do it right, you'll need a good set of stage 3 heads and a bigger cam and you may have to get a bigger blower since you have to push more air in a bigger engine. Just trying to give you the total picture here.
Bottom line if you're a broke college student, keep your setup simple, go stock cubes, forged and spray it.
don't forget you are adding 90 lbs with a 408 cause its iron.
the supercharger is gonna give you torque, its not like a stock block can't make good power.
With a 408, to do it right, you'll need a good set of stage 3 heads and a bigger cam and you may have to get a bigger blower since you have to push more air in a bigger engine. Just trying to give you the total picture here.
Bottom line if you're a broke college student, keep your setup simple, go stock cubes, forged and spray it.
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Originally Posted by Got Me SOM
a forged 347 you can get for 2700 from our sponsors here.
don't forget you are adding 90 lbs with a 408 cause its iron.
the supercharger is gonna give you torque, its not like a stock block can't make good power.
With a 408, to do it right, you'll need a good set of stage 3 heads and a bigger cam and you may have to get a bigger blower since you have to push more air in a bigger engine. Just trying to give you the total picture here.
Bottom line if you're a broke college student, keep your setup simple, go stock cubes, forged and spray it.
don't forget you are adding 90 lbs with a 408 cause its iron.
the supercharger is gonna give you torque, its not like a stock block can't make good power.
With a 408, to do it right, you'll need a good set of stage 3 heads and a bigger cam and you may have to get a bigger blower since you have to push more air in a bigger engine. Just trying to give you the total picture here.
Bottom line if you're a broke college student, keep your setup simple, go stock cubes, forged and spray it.
Yep. For the street aps, unless you are worried about making big numbers on pump gas without the meth / h2o injection, you really don't need to go to much bigger than stock cubes. If you want the added strenght and peice of mind, then go with an iron block, on a stock crank (which should last for a while), forged bottom end, a decent set of heads (ported LQ4s from a sponsor or AFRs or All Pros, if you can afford the latter) boost and go @ it. yes FI is hard on motors, but N2O is really hard on rings as well as bearings too. Instantanious hits of power vs. the somewhat softer gradual build of a S/C / turbo, will mean less tear downs and rebuilds (though if you are making power, expect to do that). Plus, if you were to go with the 6.0L right now, honed or bored .030 over, you wouldn't have to buy a new block when you go to a second rebuild (unless you junk it from a rod) you can clean up and go again, and put in the stroker crank the second time. Good luck, whatever you do.
as for spray being cheeper. if it is, its not by much (to do it right that is) not an NX kit and a 150 shot. you start hitting it with 250 300 or more, and get a NOSzle system or derect port, man it aint cheep. stand alone fuel systems and regulators and safties and purges and so on and so on. its not as cheep as some would think.
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i want at least 650rwhp...and to be able to run it on 93 octane...i'm thinking a turbo is best for me...that way i can run race gas if i wanted to up the boost to make more power
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i want at least 650rwhp...and to be able to run it on 93 octane...i'm thinking a turbo is best for me...that way i can run race gas if i wanted to up the boost to make more power
I've got the perfect solution to this painful dilemma:
Forged 347, mild heads and cam, bf turbo, AND
Nitrous!
Then you'll have fine powerplant...
Or an elaborate bomb, I'm not sure
Forged 347, mild heads and cam, bf turbo, AND
Nitrous!
Then you'll have fine powerplant...
Or an elaborate bomb, I'm not sure