What are your dimensions for FMIC
Am I going to see much of an increase with the FMIC and the METH kit together or should i just go with the meth kit alone. I just ordered a snow meth kit yesterday so i was just wondering if i really need the FMIC. It's in the budget but if meth will take care of it and I won't gain anything from the FMIC i won't waste the money. I really don't like the twins cuz they get so hot only after a couple of boosted runs.
I believe Jose from Forced Inductions has them,i got mine off ebay and it looks great inspected it thoroughly no gripes from me,especially at the price.for someone like me who drives my car everyday to work and school i cant see spending $1000 on an FMIC when my Phamspeed kit cost me $2500.guess we'll c when its on the car.just my opinion,but makes sense for those whose cars ARE DD....not those whose cars CAN be a DD.
Just thought I would throw in my $.02
After going through all of my logged 1/4 mile track runs. It looks like the OBX FMIC is doing a great job on IATs for me. With 6lbs of boost my average IAT temp is only 18 degrees above ambient. At peak which was after back to back runs (hot lapped) at the track the temp was 25 degrees above ambient. The IC was still very cool to the touch when returning to the pits. I expect this to go up when I put the new 3.7 pulley on this week, as I'm hoping to see around 9-10lbs of boost.
After going through all of my logged 1/4 mile track runs. It looks like the OBX FMIC is doing a great job on IATs for me. With 6lbs of boost my average IAT temp is only 18 degrees above ambient. At peak which was after back to back runs (hot lapped) at the track the temp was 25 degrees above ambient. The IC was still very cool to the touch when returning to the pits. I expect this to go up when I put the new 3.7 pulley on this week, as I'm hoping to see around 9-10lbs of boost.
so besides "they suck!the fins break off and blow your motor" or "they dont cool" theres only evidence of them doing a good job?and for about a 1/4 of the price of a Griffin.glad a went with an OBX for a daily driver,but i guess if your car is made for the track with 130+mph then you'd want the best.i guess it comes down to what you want,street car VS track Car,Best VS good deal
Originally Posted by PappyDan
not to hijack but now I have a question.
if the problem is known on the OBX, and a solution to that problem can be done to increase performance from that unit, then why has not any one done it?
all i see is cutting off one of the tanks, turning it over, and welding it back up so the inlet is not matched up to the exit forcing the air to run a zig zag so to speak.
if the problem is known on the OBX, and a solution to that problem can be done to increase performance from that unit, then why has not any one done it?
all i see is cutting off one of the tanks, turning it over, and welding it back up so the inlet is not matched up to the exit forcing the air to run a zig zag so to speak.
My concern is weight and the construction. While the cooler I have looks fine its possible there were some others that have fallen apart. It works OK on my car but I cant say if it does or doesnt work as well as a spearco, griffin, bell, etc would. If someone wants to send me another 'better' unt with the same or close dimensions as the OBX I will be more then happy to try it - if it works measurably better I'll buy it, if not I'll send it back
I'm a fan of Griffin because they have taken the time to work with our community to create custom intercoolers that fit in our cars. I originally contacted them because the Spearco stuff was looking it would cost $1100. Griffin stuff is less than half of that most of the time. I don't have direct experience with Obx, but I have with Griffin, and $450 for a custom intercooler from Griffin is a very fair price. Made in the USA too.
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FWIW...When I talked to griffen, they said that Spearco is the most efficient intercooler on the market. You pay for them, but they said that for there cooling per size capability, they are among the best. Griffen could'nt get me an intercooler that had the same specs and size and a Spearco. That is why I went Spearco.
Like I said before, and I know all the OBX owners are probably wondering deep down.... If you buy the best in this case you will never have to wonder how much power might be gained buy a top of the line intercooler. I justified it this way, How many times have I done a mod only to try to tweak even more out of it??? If you are losing power from a cheap intercooler, you can never gain that back unless you change it.
For me it was a bigger deal because of my goals on pumpgas. I need EVERYTHING to be as efficient as possible. If not, I will not reach my goal. I know I didn't spend big money, Weeks of labor, and tons of research(just like most people), Only to buy some unknown inneficient part that could cost me power. Besides, at this level of the game, what's an extra $500??? Really!
I wish I could see a comparison between all the big name intercooler companies for flow, pressure drop, and cooling. They would all have to be the same size and thickness. Then we would all know for sure. But for now, I will have to go off what I have been told and what the biggest names in racing use.
Like I said before, and I know all the OBX owners are probably wondering deep down.... If you buy the best in this case you will never have to wonder how much power might be gained buy a top of the line intercooler. I justified it this way, How many times have I done a mod only to try to tweak even more out of it??? If you are losing power from a cheap intercooler, you can never gain that back unless you change it.
For me it was a bigger deal because of my goals on pumpgas. I need EVERYTHING to be as efficient as possible. If not, I will not reach my goal. I know I didn't spend big money, Weeks of labor, and tons of research(just like most people), Only to buy some unknown inneficient part that could cost me power. Besides, at this level of the game, what's an extra $500??? Really!
I wish I could see a comparison between all the big name intercooler companies for flow, pressure drop, and cooling. They would all have to be the same size and thickness. Then we would all know for sure. But for now, I will have to go off what I have been told and what the biggest names in racing use.
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I'd echo PSJ on this one; the Griffin is only $150 or $200 more than the OBX. I put my money into the Griffin because 1) I wanted the staggered inlet/outlet, 2) They have IC's specific for 98-02 Trans Ams or Camaros, and 3) It's a quality American product... something I'm trying to pay more attention to these days.
I have the TA unit (while I wait for the rest of my parts) and it looks perfect.
I have no doubt the OBX will work fine, though.
Rich
I have the TA unit (while I wait for the rest of my parts) and it looks perfect.
I have no doubt the OBX will work fine, though.
Rich
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Weird, I got my Spearco for $700 out the door. The fact is, Spearco has the cores available to make an intercooler that fits PERFECT in our cars. The triple 2-110 core (9.25"X6.00") configuration comes out to about 28" Mine fits in the exact same holes as my old 3-core Procharger unit. For a basic setup, an OBX unit will work fine. If you get into the bigger setups and you're too much of a tightass to buy a good intercooler, you shouldn't be building a big power adder car.
Griffin is bar & plate (like a radiator), Spearco and OBX are bar & plate. The OBXs are cheaper b/c they're assembled by 10 year olds in China. 
An open and honest question here, how much more different can you make a bar and plate core? What makes Griffins flow that much better than OBX bar and plate core? I really would like to know.
Problem is there is no real comparisons, all you can do is try to make an educated guess. Unless someone takes and OBX, runs it for a while and gathers some IAT/boost data and then takes a spearco or a griffin of similar core size and does the same its all speculation. The OBX might suck bad or it may no be so bad.
I may try a griffin down the road but I have other things that are more priority at the moment. Being such a small difference in price (I had thought the griffin was like 800.00) if I was starting from scratch I would probably use the griffin just for the weight savings and being USA made.
I may try a griffin down the road but I have other things that are more priority at the moment. Being such a small difference in price (I had thought the griffin was like 800.00) if I was starting from scratch I would probably use the griffin just for the weight savings and being USA made.
ive seen more than 1 member use an OBX in their setup and when they were don mounting it, it looked like it belonged there. so i see no problem with have to do a bit of fabricating to make something look almost stock.i think its worth the $100s you'd save.
Last edited by ddnspider; Jun 6, 2005 at 01:29 PM.
Originally Posted by ddnspider
ive seen more than 1 member use an OBX in their setup and when they were dont it looked like it belonged there so i see no problem with have to do a bit of fabricating to make something look almost stock.i think its worth the $100s you'd save.
I just bought a OBX and I plan to use on my fi project. I can understand the need to support sponsors, I usually do. But in the case I couldnt justify the extra money.
Originally Posted by kp
Problem is there is no real comparisons, all you can do is try to make an educated guess. Unless someone takes and OBX, runs it for a while and gathers some IAT/boost data and then takes a spearco or a griffin of similar core size and does the same its all speculation. The OBX might suck bad or it may no be so bad.
Like I said before.. Id like to see some comparos. Ive seen a few posts about OBXs being logged and IATs seem impressive. I see a lot of people barking about the OBX is cheap.. and you get what you pay for... but no one has any real proof.
Anyone have any comparable Spearcos or Griffins logged? I honestly would like to see them.
I'll throw out some first hand experience.First ATI twin intercoolers suck after 7lbs of boost
Now,for OBX I've had very good experience with them up to 14lbs of boost.A back to back to ATI showed the OBX gaining 2lbs of boost - 8lbs to 10lbs and the inlet temp dropped 70 degree's.The rest of the cars were Turbo so it is harder to compare.On a 50 degree day we ran a car at 14lbs through all 4 gears and the highest inlet temp was 80 degree's
That was on a 700rwhp car.A recent truck running a 4.8 and 15lbs got up to 90 degree's from 0-100mph on a 75 degree day.So the OBX does a good job for how much it is,maybe even better than alot of people think.
Now,even I'm thinking which intercooler to run for a 1000hp setup
Now,for OBX I've had very good experience with them up to 14lbs of boost.A back to back to ATI showed the OBX gaining 2lbs of boost - 8lbs to 10lbs and the inlet temp dropped 70 degree's.The rest of the cars were Turbo so it is harder to compare.On a 50 degree day we ran a car at 14lbs through all 4 gears and the highest inlet temp was 80 degree's
That was on a 700rwhp car.A recent truck running a 4.8 and 15lbs got up to 90 degree's from 0-100mph on a 75 degree day.So the OBX does a good job for how much it is,maybe even better than alot of people think.Now,even I'm thinking which intercooler to run for a 1000hp setup
well i guess since i already tested the 3" obx design to 700 rwhp and inlet temp of about 90, i guess I will man up and buy the 4" obx and slap it on the 408 w/t88 and actually record data again for everyone...your welcome
ps...gonna be while though
ps...gonna be while though