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Wow, alot of posts! wish i could get some more. By the way, other can mean you want all engine (cubes) or w/e. If you vote other in the future, leave a post on what your choice is. Need some more posts and comments from people! And as for now, since i started this poll, i just wanted to say that i think i'll go turbo route, but man, i think i'll miss the winding sound of a procharger... lol anybody have comment on sounds? Turbo vs supercharger sounds? For me i like the supercharger.
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im a turbo guy all the way, but only because im into all out racing to the absolute extreme (drag racing that is) and i could give 2 ***** if my daily driver doesnt boost until 4-5000 rpms if its crossing the 1/4 in 9 seconds or less... besides, i drive an AWD turbo Talon (for now) im used to no boost or torque til 4-5000 rpms and im still not running 9 seconds lol
but for the street guys who dont have the money to build the perferct, big rear wheel numbers, get you down the track fast turbo kit, i would suggest a basic turbo kit (STS or something of the like) and nitrous (as long as you know what your doing) DSMotorsport has an AWD Talon with the stock 14b turbo (smaller than a T3 lol) running consistent low 10's with a BIG shot of N2O. they built the car that way to see how fast a dirt cheap DSM could go (i know this is no place for DSM talk but its just an example of what im talking about)
also, SC guys can run N2O just to make it simpler to tune... its a pain in the *** (and sometimes a waste of money) to swap pullys 10 times durring a tuning session just to try to tune the car to its absolute max potential, so a lot of times its easier to just keep the pullys you have and throw as much nitrous to it as you can without hurting anything
bottom line (IMO anyway) is that if you have all the money and time in the world to build the absolute perfect car, wether street or strip, i would go turbo, but if you dont have all that time or money it could be better to go with the smaller, cheaper, ect turbo or SC and spray the **** out of it
but for the street guys who dont have the money to build the perferct, big rear wheel numbers, get you down the track fast turbo kit, i would suggest a basic turbo kit (STS or something of the like) and nitrous (as long as you know what your doing) DSMotorsport has an AWD Talon with the stock 14b turbo (smaller than a T3 lol) running consistent low 10's with a BIG shot of N2O. they built the car that way to see how fast a dirt cheap DSM could go (i know this is no place for DSM talk but its just an example of what im talking about)
also, SC guys can run N2O just to make it simpler to tune... its a pain in the *** (and sometimes a waste of money) to swap pullys 10 times durring a tuning session just to try to tune the car to its absolute max potential, so a lot of times its easier to just keep the pullys you have and throw as much nitrous to it as you can without hurting anything
bottom line (IMO anyway) is that if you have all the money and time in the world to build the absolute perfect car, wether street or strip, i would go turbo, but if you dont have all that time or money it could be better to go with the smaller, cheaper, ect turbo or SC and spray the **** out of it
I like turbos myself.
I’ve got nos on my old car and its a pain in the ***.
I'd much rather just hit the (pump) gas and know the powers there.
Then when some punk in a fast rice rocket f's with me I don’t have to make sure I have a bottle full of power. 'sorry; I cant race you today, I forgot to fill my bottle'. I don’t even bother with it any more. Plus I run a 12.5:1 compression 427 and pay 5$ a gallon for 100 octain. Just not a good street setup. When I have the money the BBRSZ will get turboed too.
Question: How come a supercharger can’t be pullied up to make full boost right off idle and then keep it steady with a waste gate.
I see how they make for instance 1 lb of boost per 1000 rpm or something.
so you have to wait for redline to make full boost. w/ the turbo's I get full boost at 3000rpm and run full boost till read line w/ the waste gates regulating it. (thus what makes turbos make a more broad power band, I get over 500rwtk from 3800 till 6200rpm)
It would seem to me that superchargers would smoke turbos hands down set up to make full boost off idle and waste gate the unwanted over boost.
am I missing something.
also - I saw a sts kit the other day and it was making 1/2lb of boost at idle and the guy told me he gets full boost at like 2300.
I’ve got nos on my old car and its a pain in the ***.
I'd much rather just hit the (pump) gas and know the powers there.
Then when some punk in a fast rice rocket f's with me I don’t have to make sure I have a bottle full of power. 'sorry; I cant race you today, I forgot to fill my bottle'. I don’t even bother with it any more. Plus I run a 12.5:1 compression 427 and pay 5$ a gallon for 100 octain. Just not a good street setup. When I have the money the BBRSZ will get turboed too.
Question: How come a supercharger can’t be pullied up to make full boost right off idle and then keep it steady with a waste gate.
I see how they make for instance 1 lb of boost per 1000 rpm or something.
so you have to wait for redline to make full boost. w/ the turbo's I get full boost at 3000rpm and run full boost till read line w/ the waste gates regulating it. (thus what makes turbos make a more broad power band, I get over 500rwtk from 3800 till 6200rpm)
It would seem to me that superchargers would smoke turbos hands down set up to make full boost off idle and waste gate the unwanted over boost.
am I missing something.
also - I saw a sts kit the other day and it was making 1/2lb of boost at idle and the guy told me he gets full boost at like 2300.
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Originally Posted by TTSSZ
Question: How come a supercharger can’t be pullied up to make full boost right off idle and then keep it steady with a waste gate.
simply put, centrifugal sc's can be overspun, they are designed to work best at a certain rpm range, anything less than that rpm range and your not making enough boost to make a lot of power, anything higher than that range and your overspinning that sc and it can actually creat less boost because its simply churning the air and not compressing it efficiently. i dont remember exact details or exactly how that all works, id have to look it up again in one of my boost books (that i no longer have, so cant do that) but thats basically what happens, to the best of my understanding. if anyone else has any info on this or a better explination that what i could muster, i would like to hear it, better knoledge of something is always a good thing
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forgot to mention... say you wanted to make 15 psi from 1000 rpm's to 7000 rpms. well it really is doable with a centrifugal sc and wastegate (on the intake side of course) but the sc would have to be so big that you would be literally losing almost as much, or more power than your gaining... the compressor fins would be like dinner plates 
lol ok maybe thats a bit of an exaggeration, but you get the idea
lol ok maybe thats a bit of an exaggeration, but you get the idea 
I stand by my previous idea of blowing a turbo through a twin screw. And use nitrous to help cool the IAT's. If the methanol/nitromethane mix didn't lower charge temps enough, of course.
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Turbo!!!
Why you might ask? Well let's see:
1. Stealth (Until you are in boost of course)
2. Adjustable (Change boost without leaving your air conditioned cabin)
3. Upgradeable (Turbo not big enough...swap that bish for a bigger one)
4. Sound (Muscle V8 sound out of boost, to F16 fighter jet takeoff when spooling)
5. Amazement (OMG!! He just blew by me, and, and did you hear that sound!?)
Why you might ask? Well let's see:
1. Stealth (Until you are in boost of course)
2. Adjustable (Change boost without leaving your air conditioned cabin)
3. Upgradeable (Turbo not big enough...swap that bish for a bigger one)
4. Sound (Muscle V8 sound out of boost, to F16 fighter jet takeoff when spooling)
5. Amazement (OMG!! He just blew by me, and, and did you hear that sound!?)
really that is a HARD question to answer because it is so dependant on WHAT the car is......
personally forced induction wins hands down over nitrous.....nitrous is only "there" when the bottle is open and it's just not that cool (seems everyone and their grandma has nitrous)......now don't get me wrong.....nitrous is cheap, gets the job done, and if you are going to spray 500 or 1000hp worth down the whole you will need just as much engine building skill to build the engine........it's just not my style....
now which FI depends on what the car is.....
C5, Viper, Porsche, etc......sports cars......they need a turbo because they should be "civilized" and "classy"
new camaros, new mustangs, etc......newer "muscle cars" need superchargers......somehow the belt just "fits"
old camaros, old mustangs, dodge darts, etc......the "old school".....they need BLOWERS (roots ONLY!)!
now hands down, if you want to make LOTS of HP and torque, have a good running car, and still get good gas mileage (in other words have an all around kickass system), turbo has to win out but it may not be the best "personality fit" for "that car"........
thats how I feel.....
personally forced induction wins hands down over nitrous.....nitrous is only "there" when the bottle is open and it's just not that cool (seems everyone and their grandma has nitrous)......now don't get me wrong.....nitrous is cheap, gets the job done, and if you are going to spray 500 or 1000hp worth down the whole you will need just as much engine building skill to build the engine........it's just not my style....
now which FI depends on what the car is.....
C5, Viper, Porsche, etc......sports cars......they need a turbo because they should be "civilized" and "classy"
new camaros, new mustangs, etc......newer "muscle cars" need superchargers......somehow the belt just "fits"
old camaros, old mustangs, dodge darts, etc......the "old school".....they need BLOWERS (roots ONLY!)!
now hands down, if you want to make LOTS of HP and torque, have a good running car, and still get good gas mileage (in other words have an all around kickass system), turbo has to win out but it may not be the best "personality fit" for "that car"........
thats how I feel.....
A turbo and nitrous cant be beat for the street or track. For some class racing though you can't have both and that would be the only reason not to have both. Use a seperate fuel system for the "wet" nitrous system and use alcohol (methanol) as the enrichment fuel. Then you could probably just run pump gas in the car at a lower boost. There would be no turbo lag when hitting the nitrous (boost instantly) and you could have more power then most could ever, ever use and that would be after cruising around on pump gas all night. For low cost you cant beat a wet nitrous system by its self.
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i just love the whine of a blower, it cant be beat
but turbos sound good also, so its a very hard decision, that i dont have an answer for
although i will be using nitrous, because im in college and money is tight
but turbos sound good also, so its a very hard decision, that i dont have an answer for
although i will be using nitrous, because im in college and money is tight
I had nitrous. It is great when the bottle is full. With a 150shot, I can get about 5-6 passes on a 10-lb bottle. Now I am building a 402 with an F1R. I had thought of turbo, but only if I was stock displacement. I bought the 402 because I was going to use it with the 150shot. But the first 402 didn't show up in the time that I needed it. Right after that, I got a really good deal on a F1R Kit. Now I got to build the 402 to handle more power more reliabily. I just depends what you want. For me, it is the supercharger since I have the cubes and low end torque, I just need the top end power. Turbos are great for building low end torque on smaller motors. Nitrous is cool to have a smooth idling motor then turning to Mr Hyde with the flip of a switch.